<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Vit E 2 x wk. Why?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><strong>Vit E 2 x wk. Why?</strong><br />
Now I rather take twice a week Vit E 400 UI, depending on my status (low-grade inflammation or not).<br />
Why?</p>
<ol>
<li>We need 20-25 UI per day, according to Chris Masterjohn, in the flower of age (let’s say up to 45 years old).</li>
<li>Half-life of Vit E is rather short (3-4 hours in the blood, to at least 20 hours in tissue) but it could accumulate in liver (quinones). We are going to accumulate if we take 400 UI every day.<br />
Vit K E ALA (α-lipoic acid) and Q10 are some members of the same family.</li>
<li>Tocos are very useful but HD tocos have side-effects: too much of a good thing is bad.</li>
</ol>
<p dir="auto"><strong>High dose Vit K can interfere with Vit E and vice-versa. Why?</strong><br />
Preambule<br />
I recently read this post:<br />
“Preventing Lipid Peroxidation with Tocotrienols: themselves an unsaturated form of Vitamin E”.<br />
<a href="https://bioenergetic.forum/post/66269">https://bioenergetic.forum/post/66269</a> (from AlphaZance).<br />
In short, tocotrienols target multiple pathways involved in liver cell damage and lipid accumulation. OK, I agree. But … Shortly said, too much of a good thing is bad. I won’t take only one kind of toco, except in cure, with a specific target, e.g. against virus, inflammation …</p>
<p dir="auto">Short explanation:</p>
<ul>
<li>Anything exceeding metabolic needs places a burden on the liver. Derivatives (quinones) unnecessarily saturate elimination pathways (CYP450) and deplete molecules needed elsewhere—particularly for endogenous detoxification (via glutathione S-transferase).</li>
<li>An effective and safe product must contain the full spectrum (totum) or a mixture of at least two natural isomers (e.g. alpha + gamma) to respect cellular efficacy and avoid enzymatic competition. The body prioritizes alpha-tocopherol, yet we also require the other forms. There are eight isomers: alpha, beta, delta, and gamma tocopherols and tocotrienols.</li>
<li><strong>The half-life of vitamin E ranges from 48 to 60 hours. Spacing out doses (every 2 or 3 days) is more than sufficient to maintain a steady state</strong>.</li>
<li>The body needs vary from additional 20-25 UI (Chris Masterjohn) to 150 UI (Ray Peat), and more if you follow a diet, losing weight (to neutralize AA cascade).</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto"><strong>Excess tocopherols antagonizes Vit K</strong><br />
They are all fat-soluble vitamins and can compete with each other for absorption into the micelle. We could simplify by saying vitamins A and E are antagonists of vitamin K because they interfere with its absorption and metabolism.<br />
Taking a high dose Vit K2 requires transporters that are in limited amount for transport in circulating lipoproteins for subsequent uptake by tissues.<br />
How much is too much is not clearly defined.<br />
The reduction in assimilation appears to be partly related to the phenomenon that Vitamin E and K share similar transporters/metabolizing enzymes. When high dose Vitamin E is given it may block the transporters/enzymes that are needed to integrate Vitamin K into the appropriate tissues. So similar to Aspirin, we should consider supplementing Vitamin K when trying high dose Vitamin E. Otherwise we may risk Vitamin K deficiency which can cause downstream problems.<br />
Moreover <strong>excess Vit E, K and Q10 leaves quinones but our liver has a limited capacity to deal with</strong>, as already metioned.<br />
I never take Vit A supplement at the same time as the other lipovitamins. Nor 5 000 Vit D with K at the same meal since we need a lot of fat to absorb Vit K (35 gr lipid is optimal: 14 – 25 – 35 g fat are thresholds impacting the degree of absorption. I target minimum 25 g fat).<br />
Edit: Now I limit my intake of Vit K to 1 000 mcg K2 MK4 twice a day, with 1 000 UI Vit D3, both at the same time, so that I don’t saturate the transporter, and so I enhance interaction. Twice a week, I differ the intake to the next meal, because I take 5 000 UI retinyl palmitate. Interaction between liposoluble vitamins.<br />
See additional info on the links beneath.</p>
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<ul>
<li><strong>Vit E: sparing effect and recycling</strong> (In French; translator needed)<br />
<a href="http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t30-vitamine-e-plus-qu-une-vitamine#60" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t30-vitamine-e-plus-qu-une-vitamine#60</a><br />
"Vitamin C regenerates vitamin E, and vitamin E protects β-carotene—a process aided by polyphenols. With β-carotene supplementation, vitamin C regenerates both vitamin E and β-carotene, and β-carotene appears to protect vitamin E, although the actual mechanism behind this phenomenon remains unexplained."<br />
<strong>Savings effect</strong><br />
Vitamin E is not just a vitamin. Vitamin C makes it possible to recycle oxidized vitamin E and thus prolong its lifespan. The same goes with glutathione which is thus saved for other more useful functions (detox). Glutathion is our antioxidant master.<br />
Vitamin E protects against the deleterious effects of polyunsaturated fatty acids when the latter are excess. And this is quickly done!</li>
<li><strong>English corner: How Does Vit E Regulate Redox interactions?</strong><br />
Breaking the ROS chain-reaction from PUFA<br />
<a href="https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2081-english-corner-how-does-vit-e-regulate-redox-interactions#29973" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2081-english-corner-how-does-vit-e-regulate-redox-interactions#29973</a><br />
RP advised 100 UI Vit E (+/ 150 mg) though our requirement increases with age, as our tissue iron stores increase…<br />
Since vitamin E has a half-life of about 48 hours, it could be advisable to take 75 IU - 100 IU orally when there suspicion of Sars-Cov-2. This study also found that alpha-tocopherol (vitamin E) was about 100-fold more potent/effective than Remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses!<br />
<a href="https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210715/Water-soluble-vitamin-E-compounds-directly-inhibit-SARS-CoV-2-replication-and-synergize-with-remdesivir.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210715/Water-soluble-vitamin-E-compounds-directly-inhibit-SARS-CoV-2-replication-and-synergize-with-remdesivir.aspx</a><br />
NB: vitamin E appear to be one of the substances having the ability to inhibit the proliferation / replication as well as the infection once it has already occurred. So do zinc, glycine, naringening, quinine  and vitamin D.</li>
<li><strong>Too much of a good thing is bad</strong><br />
There no real danger with high dose vitamin E. But high repeated doses of vitamin E inhibit platelet aggregation. Need to be compensate with K1. Not taken at the same meal (transporters).<br />
Alpha-tocopherol is preferably stocked in the liver. (Kayden and Traber, 1993; Traber et al., 1990).<br />
Every 72 hours would be fine with 400 UI (at least 2 toco). 20-25 UI are needed per day, according to Chris Masterjohn.<br />
Note: As the mechanism by which phylloquinone (K1) is converted to K2 MK-4 is unknown, we cannot readily speculate how vitamin E supplementation influences the concentrations of these forms of vitamin K in extrahepatic tissue. While it is plausible that less MK-4 is produced because vitamin E supplementation reduces phylloquinone as a substrate in the extrahepatic tissue, vitamin E may also decrease MK-4 concentrations independently of phylloquinone.<br />
NB: Vit E and K use the same transporter. So don’t take these supplements at the same time.</li>
<li><strong>More info on Vit E</strong>	<br />
<a href="https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t30-vitamine-e-plus-qu-une-vitamine#60" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t30-vitamine-e-plus-qu-une-vitamine#60</a><br />
Excerpt 1 (translator needed, in French):<br />
Most studies show a beginning of preventive efficiency at doses of 100 IU /d in degenerative diseases. Braking of oxidative stress which is underlying the phenomena of senescence and the appearance of all degenerative pathologies: cardiovascular, cancers, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, presbyacousis, cataract, macular degeneration, Parkinson and Alzheimer's diseases, etc…<br />
Excerpt 2:</li>
<li>Optimal contribution, without pathology, if under 40 years old: 100 IU per day.</li>
<li>Contribution in case of supplementation in polyunsaturated fatty acids 100 IU per gram of EPA. - Therapeutic contribution: 400 - 500 IU every 5 days.<br />
Mg/ UI conversion: 100 mg = 150 IU.<br />
Personally, it’s 400 UI mixed toco every 3 days (+/ twice a week). 3x if inflammation.<br />
Now Foods – E 400 – with mixed tocopherols. Softgels. + Once a week K1 (mix K1 and K2). Vit K2 MK7 must be encapsulated (oxidation).</li>
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]]></description><link>https://bioenergetic.forum/post/66276</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://bioenergetic.forum/post/66276</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[LucH]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 09:26:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Vit E 2 x wk. Why? on Thu, 24 Sep 2026 09:25:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">*) <strong>Sources and references</strong></p>
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<li>Kinetic, Bioavailability, and Metabolism Study of RRR-α-Tocopherol in Healthy Adults J Nutr. 2012<br />
Vitamin E may be stored and remain in your body for days, weeks, or even months after you ingest it.<br />
Alpha-tocopherols are preferably stored in the liver and has a double life-time compared to other isomers. The Kinetic, bioavailability, and metabolism study of RRR-α-tocopherol in healthy adults suggests lower intake requirements than previous estimates. The model estimated residence time and half-life of the slowest turning-over compartment of α-tocopherol (adipose tissue) at 499 ± 702 d and 184 ± 48 d, respectively.<br />
<a href="https://doi.org/10.3945/jn.112.166462" rel="nofollow ugc">https://doi.org/10.3945/jn.112.166462</a></li>
<li>Effect of vitamin E supplementation on vitamin K status in adults with normal coagulation status.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15213041" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15213041</a><br />
=&gt; High doses of vitamin E may antagonize vitamin K.</li>
<li>Haemorrhagic toxicity of a large dose of alpha-, beta-, gamma- and delta-tocopherols, ubiquinone, beta-carotene, retinol acetate and L-ascorbic acid in the rat.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7867999" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7867999</a><br />
=&gt; These results suggest that the four naturally occurring tocopherols have a tendency to cause haemorrhage in the order of alpha &gt; beta &gt; gamma &gt; delta, and ubiquinone Q-10 and beta-carotene also have relatively strong and weak haemorrhagic effects, respectively, with regard to prothrombin and partial thromboplastin time indices.</li>
<li>Interaction of vitamins E and K: effect of high dietary vitamin E on phylloquinone activity in chicks.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285253" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285253</a><br />
=&gt; The inhibiting effect of high dietary vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) on pro-coagulant factors could be prevented by increasing dietary phylloquinone (Vit K1) supplementation. Increased phylloquinone levels in the diet did not significantly influence alpha-tocopherol concentrations in plasma and liver, but coagulopathy caused by high vitamin E intake could be reversed.</li>
<li>Vitamin E decreases extra-hepatic menaquinone-4 concentrations in rats fed menadione (K3) or phylloquinone (K1)<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22707266" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22707266</a><br />
Vitamin K1 = phylloquinone, K2 = menaquinone, K3 = menadione, and menaquinone-4 (also known as K2 MK4).</li>
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