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    Peat: .. I have never recommended several milligram doses of iodide, and I have often pointed out the damage to the thyroid gland that even moderate iodide supplements can cause: [studies follow]

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      Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
      https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-655068

      Q: Mr Peat im wondering if your recommendations regarding supplementation of iodine are the same as for iodide? Many people are aware of your comments regarding IodINE supplementation, but some people are claiming your comments apply only to Iodine and that you believe there are benefits to supplementing large, several milligram doses of IODIDE like potassium iodide. the logic being used is these people claim chlorine is bad chloride is essential, and similarly they claim you believe only iodine is bad whereas you like supplementing with iodide

      A: No, I have never recommended several milligram doses of iodide, and I have often pointed out the damage to the thyroid gland that even moderate iodide supplements can cause:

      Endocr Pathol. 2002 Fall;13(3):175-81.
      Thyroid cancer and thyroiditis in Salta, Argentina: a 40-yr study in relation to iodine prophylaxis.
      Harach HR, Escalante DA, Day ES.
      Services of Pathology, Dr A Oñativia Endocrinology and Metabolism Hospital,
      Salta, Argentina. rubenharach@ciudad.com.ar
      The natural history of thyroid cancer and thyroiditis in relation to iodine
      prophylaxis in the region of Salta, Argentina, where goiter is common was
      investigated over a time span of 40 yr. For analysis of thyroid cancer, the
      specimens were divided into two periods. The first 15 yr (59 cases), including 5
      yr before prophylaxis, was compared with the second 25 yr (182 cases), a period
      well after salt iodination. Papillary carcinomas formed the largest group of
      tumors in both periods, with a significant increase in their proportion in the
      second period (44 vs 60%, chi(2): p < 0.05), while the percentage of follicular
      and undifferentiated carcinomas decreased and medullary carcinoma remained about
      the same. The ratio of papillary to follicular carcinoma rose from 1.7:1 in the
      first period to 3.1:1 in the second. Four thyroid lymphomas of non-Hodgkin's
      B-cell type occurred in the second period in females over age 50. A severe
      lymphoid thyroiditis was present in the two cases with assessable background
      thyroid tissue. The frequency of moderate to severe lymphoid infiltrate in
      females rose from 2 of 12 (16.6%) in the preprophylaxis period to 34 of 114
      (28.0%) in the last 25 yr after prophylaxis. After salt prophylaxis, thyroiditis
      was more frequent in patients with papillary carcinoma (36.2%) than in those with
      nonpapillary tumors (14.7%) (chi(2), p < 0.02). These observations indicate that
      a high dietary intake of iodine may be associated with a high frequency of
      papillary carcinoma and thyroiditis, and that thyroiditis is more commonly
      associated with papillary carcinoma than with other thyroid tumors. The
      occurrence of non-Hodgkin's lymphomas only in the postprophylaxis period may be
      linked to an increase in thyroiditis.

      Saudi Med J. 2007 Jul;28(7):1034-8.
      The effect of iodine prophylaxis on the frequency of thyroiditis and thyroid
      tumors in Southwest, Iran.
      Soveid M, Monabbati A, Sooratchi L, Dahti S.
      Department of Internal Medicine, Shiraz University of Medical Sciences, Nemazee
      Hospital, Shiraz, Iran. msoveid@sums.ac.ir
      OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of the salt iodization program, which was
      initiated in 1989 on frequencies of thyroiditis and papillary carcinoma in Fars
      province of Iran, which was previously an iodine deficient area. METHODS: Four
      hundred and eighty-two thyroidectomy specimens belonging to the pre-iodization
      period from 1983 to 1988, and 466 post iodization specimens from 1998 to 2003
      were re-examined for presence of lymphocytic infiltration and types of thyroid
      tumors. This study was carried out in Shiraz University of Medical Sciences,
      Iran. RESULTS: The frequency of lymphocytic infiltration in non-neoplastic
      specimens increased from 30-60.5% after salt iodization (p<0.001). Background of
      lymphocytic infiltration in neoplastic specimens also increased from 18.5-61%
      after iodine prophylaxis (p<0.001). The frequency of papillary carcinoma in
      neoplastic specimens increased from 15-43% (p=0.01) and that of follicular
      adenoma decreased from 69-32.5% (p<0.0001). CONCLUSION: Salt iodization is
      associated with an increased occurrence of histologic thyroiditis and papillary
      carcinoma.

      Biol Trace Elem Res. 2007 Oct 20 [Epub ahead of print]
      Safe Range of Iodine Intake Levels: A Comparative Study of Thyroid Diseases in
      Three Women Population Cohorts with Slightly Different Iodine Intake Levels.
      Teng X, Shi X, Shan Z, Jin Y, Guan H, Li Y, Yang F, Wang W, Tong Y, Teng W.
      Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, The First Affiliated Hospital, China
      Medical University, No. 155 Nanjing Bei Street, Heping District, Shenyang,
      Liaoning Province, 110001, People's Republic of China, tengxiaochun@126.com.
      Iodine excess may lead to thyroid diseases. Our previous 5-year prospective
      survey showed that the prevalence and incidence of hypothyroidism or autoimmune
      thyroiditis increased with iodine intake. The aim of the present study was to
      investigate the optimal range of iodine intake by comparing the prevalence of
      thyroid diseases in three areas with slightly different levels of iodine intake.
      In 2005, 778 unselected women subjects from three areas with different iodine
      intake levels were enrolled. Levels of serum thyroid hormones, thyroid
      autoantibodies, and urinary iodine were measured, and thyroid B ultrasounds were
      performed. Among the subjects with mildly deficient iodine intake, those with
      adequate intake, and those with more than adequate intake, the prevalence of
      clinical and subclinical hypothyroidism was 0, 1.13, and 2.84%, respectively (P =
      0.014); that of thyroid goiter was 24.88, 5.65, and 11.37%, respectively (P <
      0.001); that of serum thyrotropin values was1.01, 1.25, and 1.39 mIU/l,
      respectively; and that of serum thyrotropin/thyroglobulin ratio was 7.98, 6.84,
      and 5.11, respectively (P < 0.001). In conclusion, median urinary iodine 100~200
      mug/l may reflect the safe range of iodine intake levels. Serum
      thyrotropin/thyroglobulin ratio might be a better index of evaluating iodine
      status.

      Endocrinology. 2007 Jun;148(6):2747-52. Epub 2007 Mar 8.
      Induction of goitrous hypothyroidism by dietary iodide in SJL mice.
      Li HS, Carayanniotis G.
      Faculty of Medicine, Memorial University of Newfoundland, St. John's,
      Newfoundland, Canada.
      Prolonged intake of large amounts of iodide has been reported to increase the
      incidence of goiter and/or hypothyroidism in humans as well as animals prone to
      spontaneous autoimmune thyroiditis. In the current study, we investigated the
      role of dietary iodide on the development of hypothyroidism, as well as
      thyroiditis, in strains of mice that do not develop spontaneous autoimmune
      thyroiditis. Intake of 0.05% NaI via drinking water for 10 wk induced
      hypothyroidism in SJL/J mice as indicated by elevated TSH and depressed total
      T(4) values in serum and formation of colloidal goiter with an inactive flattened
      thyroid epithelium. Hypothyroidism did not appear to have an autoimmune basis
      because only focal mononuclear cell infiltrates were found intrathyroidally, and
      antithyroglobulin antibodies or increased organification of iodide were not
      detected. These phenomena were not observed in similarly treated CBA/J mice,
      suggesting polymorphisms in genes controlling events downstream of iodide uptake
      by thyrocytes. Interestingly, RT-PCR analysis indicated that unlike CBA/J, SJL/J
      mice could not down-regulate Na/I symporter gene expression during the NaI
      treatment. No significant temporal or strain differences were observed regarding
      the expression of thyroglobulin, pendrin, thyroid peroxidase, and DUOX1 and DUOX2
      genes after NaI intake. Our results point to the generation of a mouse model for
      the study of iodine-induced hypothyroidism, which does not seem to have an
      autoimmune basis.

      J Endocrinol Invest. 2003;26(2 Suppl):49-56.
      Iodine excess and thyroid autoimmunity.
      Bournaud C, Orgiazzi JJ.
      Service d'Endocrinologie, Diabétologie et Maladies Métaboliques, Centre
      Hospitalier Lyon-Sud, 69495 Pierre-Bénite Cedex, France.
      Epidemiological studies, as well as animal models, indicate that iodine might be
      an immunogenic agent for the thyroid gland, at least in subjects predisposed to
      thyroid autoimmunity. This review presents data, either epidemiological or
      experimental, obtained in different conditions: constant and stable iodine
      status, either deficient, sufficient or excessive; long-term iodine prophylaxis;
      temporary supplementation with iodide (6-12 months) or iodised oil. Moreover, we
      also discuss data obtained in the general population, among subjects with
      euthyroid goiter, or autoimmune goiter, or even in women prone to post-partum
      thyroid diseases. It is concluded that the significant increase in the prevalence
      of autoimmune thyroid diseases in populations living in iodine sufficient areas
      should not prevent the implementation of the iodine prophylaxis.

      J Immunol. 2002 Jun 1;168(11):5907-11.
      Enhanced iodination of thyroglobulin facilitates processing and presentation of a
      cryptic pathogenic peptide.
      Dai YD, Rao VP, Carayanniotis G.
      Division of Endocrinology, Faculty of Medicine, Memorial University of
      Newfoundland, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada.
      Increased iodine intake has been associated with the development of experimental
      autoimmune thyroiditis (EAT), but the biological basis for this association
      remains poorly understood. One hypothesis has been that enhanced incorporation of
      iodine in thyroglobulin (Tg) promotes the generation of pathogenic T cell
      determinants. In this study we sought to test this by using the pathogenic
      nondominant A(s)-binding Tg peptides p2495 and p2694 as model Ags. SJL mice
      challenged with highly iodinated Tg (I-Tg) developed EAT of higher severity than
      Tg-primed controls, and lymph node cells (LNC) from I-Tg-primed hosts showed a
      higher proliferation in response to I-Tg in vitro than Tg-primed LNC reacting to
      Tg. Interestingly, I-Tg-primed LNC proliferated strongly in vitro against p2495,
      but not p2694, indicating efficient and selective priming with p2495 following
      processing of I-Tg in vivo. Tg-primed LNC did not respond to either peptide.
      Similarly, the p2495-specific, IL-2-secreting T cell hybridoma clone 5E8 was
      activated when I-Tg-pulsed, but not Tg-pulsed, splenocytes were used as APC,
      whereas the p2694-specific T cell hybridoma clone 6E10 remained unresponsive to
      splenic APC pulsed with Tg or I-Tg. The selective in vitro generation of p2495
      was observed in macrophages or dendritic cells, but not in B cells, suggesting
      differential processing of I-Tg among various APC. These data demonstrate that
      enhanced iodination of Tg facilitates the selective processing and presentation
      of a cryptic pathogenic peptide in vivo or in vitro and suggest a mechanism that
      can at least in part account for the association of high iodine intake and the
      development of EAT.

      Autoimmunity 1995;20(3):201-6
      Excess iodine induces the expression of thyroid solid cell nests in lymphocytic thyroiditis-prone BB/W rats. Zhu YP, Bilous M, Boyages SC. Department of Clinical Endocrinology, Westmead Hospital, Sydney, Australia. Previous epidemiological studies have suggested that lymphocytic thyroiditis and/or an increased iodine intake may be risk factors for the development of thyroid cancer. We previously reported that excess iodine accelerated the development of thyroid lymphocytic infiltration (LI) in the autoimmune BB/W rat model. We also found that excess iodine increased thyroid cell proliferation in a disordered manner. The present study was designed to further explore these observations and to address the question as to whether excess iodine under certain conditions predisposes the thyroid gland to neoplasia. To test this hypothesis, the lymphocytic thyroiditis-prone BB/W rat was exposed to excess iodine in drinking water. Ten BB/W rats at 4 weeks of age were given iodine water (NaI 0.05%) for 10 weeks, whilst another 10 BB/W rats were given tap water and served as controls. Eighteen normal Wistar rats were also divided into excess iodine and control groups, served as a comparison to the BB/W rats. We found that an excess iodine intake accelerated the development of LI in the BB/W rat. Severe LI was usually accompanied by prominent thyroid cell proliferation, evident as numerous microfollicles and cell masses, not forming normal thyroid follicles. Numerous lymphocytes and plasma cells often encroached on these areas of increased cellular proliferation. The surprising feature, and a possible indicator of activated thyroid cell proliferation, was the high incidence of thyroid solid cell nest-like lesions (SCN) in the iodine treated BB/W rats.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

      Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1989 Oct;31(4):453-65
      Thyroid autoimmunity in endemic goitre caused by excessive iodine intake.
      Boyages SC, Bloot AM, Maberly GF, Eastman CJ, Li M, Qian QD, Liu DR, van der
      Gaag RD, Drexhage HA.
      Department of Medicine, Westmead Hospital, Sydney, Australia.
      The pathophysiology of endemic goitre caused by excessive iodine intake is not
      well defined. By interacting with the immune system, iodine excess may trigger
      the development of autoimmune thyroid disease such as lymphocytic Hashimoto's
      thyroiditis (LT). In an attempt to examine this further, we compared the
      presence of thyroid autoantibodies in 29 goitrous children, from an iodine
      excess area, and in 26 healthy children, from an iodine sufficient area, of
      north central China. Serum was tested for antimicrosomal (MAb),
      anti-thyroglobulin (TgAb), second colloid antigen antibodies (CA2-Ab) and TSH
      binding inhibitory immunoglobulins (TBII). Affinity chromatographically purified
      IgG was tested for thyroid growth-stimulating activity (TGI) by two different
      methods: a sensitive cytochemical bioassay (CBA) using guinea-pig thyroid
      explants and a mitotic arrest assay (MAA) employing a continuous rat thyroid
      cell line (FRTL-5). We found no increased prevalence of LT in patients with
      endemic iodine goitre. The levels of MAb, TgAb and CA2-Ab did not differ
      significantly between the two groups of children. Further, TBII were not present
      in either group. Thyroid growth-stimulating immunoglobulins (TGI) were the major
      autoantibodies found in children with goitres caused by iodine excess. In the
      CBA, 12 of 20 (60%) goitrous children and 0 of 12 (0% P less than 0.05) healthy
      children were positive for TGI. Similar results were found in the MAA, and a
      good correlation between results of the CBA and MAA was found (P = 0.003).
      Maximal TGI activity in dose-response CBA showed a good relation with clinical
      goitre size (r = 0.63; P less than 0.05) indicating a possible
      pathophysiological role for these antibodies. We conclude that endemic iodine
      goitre is not associated with Hashimoto's lymphocytic thyroiditis. Nevertheless,
      autoimmune growth factors such as TGI may play a primary role in the
      pathogenesis of thyroid growth in this condition.

      Science 1985 Oct 18;230(4723):325-7
      Induction of autoimmune thyroiditis in chickens by dietary iodine.
      Bagchi N, Brown TR, Urdanivia E, Sundick RS. Clinical studies have suggested that excess dietary iodine promotes autoimmune
      thyroiditis; however, the lack of a suitable animal model has hampered
      investigation of the phenomenon. In this study, different amounts of potassium
      iodide were added to the diets of chicken strains known to be genetically
      susceptible to autoimmune thyroiditis. Administration of iodine during the first
      10 weeks of life increased the incidence of the disease, as determined by
      histology and the measurement of autoantibodies to triiodothyronine, thyroxine,
      and thyroglobulin. Further support for the relation between iodine and
      autoimmune thyroiditis was provided by an experiment in which iodine-deficient
      regimens decreased the incidence of thyroid autoantibodies in a highly
      susceptible strain. These results suggest that excessive consumption of iodine
      in the United States may be responsible for the increased incidence of
      autoimmune thyroiditis.

      Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Apr;81(4):840-4.
      High thyroid volume in children with excess dietary iodine intakes.
      Zimmermann MB, Ito Y, Hess SY, Fujieda K, Molinari L.
      Human Nutrition Laboratory, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich,
      Switzerland. michael.zimmermann@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch
      BACKGROUND: There are few data on the adverse effects of chronic exposure to high iodine intakes, particularly in children. OBJECTIVE: The objective of the study was to ascertain whether high dietary intakes of iodine in children result in high thyroid volume (Tvol), a high risk of goiter, or both. DESIGN: In an international sample of 6-12-y-old children (n = 3319) from 5 continents with iodine intakes ranging from adequate to excessive, Tvol was measured by ultrasound, and the urinary iodine (UI) concentration was measured. Regressions were done on Tvol and goiter including age, body surface area, sex, and UI concentration as covariates. RESULTS: The median UI concentration ranged from 115 microg/L in central Switzerland to 728 microg/L in coastal Hokkaido, Japan. In the entire sample, 31% of children had UI concentrations >300 microg/L, and 11% had UI concentrations >500 microg/L; in coastal Hokkaido, 59% had UI concentrations >500 microg/L, and 39% had UI concentrations >1000 microg/L. In coastal Hokkaido, the mean age- and body surface area-adjusted Tvol was approximately 2-fold the mean Tvol from the other sites combined (P < 0.0001), and there was a positive correlation between log(UI concentration) and log(Tvol) (r = 0.24, P < 0.0001). In the combined sample, after adjustment for age, sex, and body surface area, log(Tvol) began to rise at a log(UI concentration) >2.7, which, when transformed back to the linear scale, corresponded to a UI concentration of approximately 500 microg/L. CONCLUSIONS: Chronic iodine intakes approximately twice those recommended-indicated by UI concentrations in the range of 300-500 microg/L-do not increase Tvol in children. However, UI concentrations >/=500 microg/L are associated with increasing Tvol, which reflects the adverse effects of chronic iodine excess.
      Multicenter Study

      Hokkaido Igaku Zasshi 1994 May;69(3):614-26. [Screening for thyroid dysfunction in adults residing in Hokkaido Japan: in relation to urinary iodide concentration and thyroid autoantibodies]
      [Article in Japanese] Konno N, Iizuka N, Kawasaki K, Taguchi H, Miura K, Taguchi S, Murakami S, Hagiwara K, Noda Y, Ukawa S. Department of Internal Medicine, Hokkaido Central Hospital for Social Health Insurance, Sapporo, Japan. The prevalence of thyroid dysfunction and its relation to thyroid autoantibodies (TAA) and urinary iodide concentration (UI) was studied in apparently healthy adults in Sapporo (n = 4110) (Sapporo group), and in five coastal areas of Hokkaido (n = 1061) (coastal group) which produce iodine-rich seaweed (kelp). The frequency of above normal UI (high UI) in the morning urinary samples of coastal group was 10.8%, significantly higher than that of Sapporo group (6.4%) (p < 0.001). Frequency of positive TAA in both groups were similar. In Sapporo group TAA was positive in 6.4% of males and 13.8% of females with an age-related increase. The overall prevalence of hyperthyroidism (TSH < 0.15 mU/L) in coastal group (0.6%) was similar to that in Sapporo group (1.1%), while that of hypothyroidism (TSH > 5.0 mU/L) in coastal group (3.8%) was significantly higher than that in Sapporo group (1.3%) (P < 0.001). The frequency of high UI correlated significantly with that of hypothyroidism with negative TAA (r = 0.829, P < 0.05), but not with positive TAA, or with that of hyperthyroidism. Hypothyroidism was more prevalent in TAA negative subjects with high UI than with normal UI. Moreover, serum TSH and thyroglobulin levels were higher and free T4 level was lower in former than in latter group. These results indicate that 1) the prevalence of TAA negative hypothyroidism in iodine sufficient areas may be associated with the amount of iodine ingested, 2) this hypothyroidism is more prevalent and marked in subjects consuming further excess amounts of iodine, and 3) excessive intake of iodine should be considered an etiology of hypothyroidism in addition to chronic thyroiditis in these areas.

      Endocrinol Metab Clin North Am 1987 Jun;16(2):327-42
      Environmental factors affecting autoimmune thyroid disease.
      Safran M, Paul TL, Roti E, Braverman LE.
      Department of Medicine, University of Massachusetts Medical Center, Worcester.
      A number of environmental factors affect the incidence and progression of
      autoimmune thyroid disease. Exposure to excess iodine, certain drugs, infectious
      agents and pollutants, and stress have all been implicated.

      Acta Endocrinol (Copenh) 1978 Aug;88(4):703-12
      A case of Hashimoto's thyroiditis with thyroid immunological abnormality
      manifested after habitual ingestion of seaweed.
      Okamura K, Inoue K, Omae T.
      An interesting case of iodide induced goitre with immunological abnormalities is
      described. The patient who was sensitive to synthetic penicillin had previously
      been treated for exudative pleuritis, congestive heart failure and acute renal
      failure. Following recovery, he began to ingest large amounts of seaweed after
      which he developed goitrous hypothyroidism. It was of interest that the serum
      level of gamma-globulin increased, and subsequently the antithyroid microsomal
      antibody became strongly positive, suggesting that thyroidal autoimmune
      processes had been precipitated. Biopsy of the thyroid gland revealed chronic
      thyroiditis, with evidence suggesting extreme stimulation by TSH. Hight
      thyroidal uptake of 131I, positive perchlorate discharge test and biochemical
      analysis of the thyroidal soluble protein showed severe impairment of hormone
      synthesis following continuous accumulation of excess iodide. While there is
      evidence suggesting that increased iodide may be an important factor in the
      initiation of Hashimoto's thyroiditis, this may result from the marked increased
      sensitivity of Hashimoto's gland to the effects of iodine. Thus an occult lesion
      could be unmasked in this manner. The mechanism by which iodide mediates this
      effect is not clear.

      …

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