Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?
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@periander345 said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
I started taking 500 mg of Niacinamide once a day, a B-Complex with 50 mg Thiamine and 25mg Niacinamide, and 200mg of Benfotiamine. I cut out coffee because I realized I developed an intolerance to dosages of magnesium, so i've been trying to limit mag intake. But I wanted to ask if headaches and brain fog are a side effect of taking B vitamins, because I've had a consistent headache since I started supplementing, and more fatigue.
Niacinamide is water soluble so it only sticks around for a couple of hours in your body. Taking small doses (90-100mg) multiple times a day would be of better benefit.
Ray Peat on Niacinamide
The thiamine in your B-complex is probably thiamine hcl; it does not get through the gut wall efficiently so higher doses are needed. Dr. Costantini on dosages for oral thiamine hcl vs thiamine hcl by injection. The benfotiamine does not have the absorption problem that the hcl type has but I do not know much about it as I've never taken it myself, sorry."I cut out coffee because I realized I developed an intolerance to dosages of magnesium, so i've been trying to limit mag intake."
Coffee blocks thiamine function so I don't drink it. Supplementing thiamine will improve tolerance for magnesium.Magnesium is really important; addressing the intolerance would be more helpful than limiting magnesium intake.
about magnesium:
Magnesium Status and Stress: The Vicious Circle Concept Revisited"But I wanted to ask if headaches and brain fog are a side effect of taking B vitamins, because I've had a consistent headache since I started supplementing, and more fatigue."
You may have an imbalance in what you are taking. I like to test out individual vitamins instead of taking a B-comlex because I find it easier to determine which one might be problematic.
Brain fog and fatigue were two of my symptoms when I had a thiamine deficiency/functional blockage. High dose thiamine hcl resolved the problems for me.
I'm not a doctor and this is not medical advice.
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@skywxlker Doxycycline worked fine for me, I was doing 100mg x2 a day for 5 days. Be careful though it can make you sick (nausea, dizziness,
excessive sweating, headache...) These side effects kicked in for me after 30 minutes of taking the pill, apparently tetracycline antibiotics can irritate the stomach, solution was to take before bed and sleep on it. -
@mostlylurking thanks again. good to know. I just ordered some thiamin hcl.
while we're on the topic, should I pair thiamine with riboflavin?
I cant tell if its working or not, but riboflavin seems like something that would help me.
I do have light sensitivity and eye floaters. in my youth I had migraines, but I'm not sure.
my instict tells me to try B2 5p.
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@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
thanks again. good to know. I just ordered some thiamin hcl.
while we're on the topic, should I pair thiamine with riboflavin?
I cant tell if its working or not, but riboflavin seems like something that would help me.
I do have light sensitivity and eye floaters. in my youth I had migraines, but I'm not sure.
my instict tells me to try B2 5p.
There's a lot to be said for intinct. Elliot Overton has recommended niacinamide and riboflavin to take when high dosing thiamine. Of course, I can't find the source now, sorry. I relied on what I learned from Ray Peat regarding the dosage. I take 100mg of each of them, 4Xday. Other sources recommend higher doses for the riboflavin, maybe. Ray Peat said that more people are sensitive to riboflavin supplementation, so there's that. So I guess you will have to do some experimentation on yourself to learn how you react to it.
Is the "5p" above a typo? Whazzat?
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@mostlylurking alright. sounds good.
I'll update this post to see how things go. thanks again
riboflavin "5-phospate"
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@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
riboflavin "5-phospate"
Eyedrops? Sorry, I'm not familiar with it. Although I have had more than my share of floaters....
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@mostlylurking No they're not drops.
its just a form of oral riboflavin. It requires less conversion than the typical form of riboflavin you'll find in most products.
I find it works well (not sure if it works for photophobia or eye floaters) and I believe its more potent so you don't have to dose as much.
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@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
its just a form of oral riboflavin. It requires less conversion than the typical form of riboflavin you'll find in most products.
I find it works well (not sure if it works for photophobia or eye floaters) and I believe its more potent so you don't have to dose as much.
OK. I did not know about it so did a search and the results I found lead me to understand that it is "eye drops", to be applied to the eye. Do you have a link to the product?
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Is there a risk that antibiotics destroy enzimes capable of digesting milk ? Lactase ?
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@Hando-Jin said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
amox in higher doses.
Ray warned against that one. There was some correspondence between him and someone posted on the retard forum, he linked to a study where it caused liver failure in some people, I think it was older people though. Doxy and minocycline and penicillin VK are safer bets.
What are you all your symptoms? is it an IBS type of deal?
Are you talking about Amoxicillin here?
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@FOR-THE-POTATO said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@Hando-Jin said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
amox in higher doses.
Ray warned against that one. There was some correspondence between him and someone posted on the retard forum, he linked to a study where it caused liver failure in some people, I think it was older people though. Doxy and minocycline and penicillin VK are safer bets.
What are you all your symptoms? is it an IBS type of deal?
Are you talking about Amoxicillin here?
yep
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@Hando-Jin said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@FOR-THE-POTATO said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@Hando-Jin said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
@skywxlker said in Which antibiotics for gut issues and chronic fatigue?:
amox in higher doses.
Ray warned against that one. There was some correspondence between him and someone posted on the retard forum, he linked to a study where it caused liver failure in some people, I think it was older people though. Doxy and minocycline and penicillin VK are safer bets.
What are you all your symptoms? is it an IBS type of deal?
Are you talking about Amoxicillin here?
yep
Thanks for the heads up. Maybe more dangerous to people with retarded livers cause he suggest it being fairly safe on a different occasion.
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@mostlylurking thought I replied.
but I just buy it off amazon. made by the brand "Thorne"
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@skywxlker OK, I'll check it out. Thorne seems to be a good brand.
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anybody knows why some people claim that "antibiotics destroyed their gut" ?
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https://twitter.com/NStumphauzer/status/1757507769677070624
randomly came across this tweet where someone claims they basically fixed their narcolepsy with clarithromycin
might be relevant
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Some of your symptoms sound like mine (not all), I've also had the poisoned feeling many times.. I have mild crohns disease, according to a colonoscopy back in 2017.
One thing that has helped me when I get real fatigued and body pains is taking bupropion, and the inflammation went down quite a bit, no more poisoned feeling and an increase in energy (probably because it increases norepinephrine). But I don't like being on pharmaceuticals and it wasn't curing the issue, just mitigating some of it.
I usually go on it for 30-60 days and then go back off until things get bad again.
