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@Razvan The copper toxicity thing sounds just a correlation because liver has high amounts of it paired with high vit A so that may be two birds with one stone for this nonsense theory.
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@Razvan
I might be genuinely copper toxic though. So it probably does exist. But I’m totally debilitated by this. Honestly last year I was trying to dig my potato patch and Id just lose focus and walk across the garden and stare into space like my brain just shut off.Charlie runs a business. No way he has what I have. My thoughts race day and night. I do calculations in my dreams.....
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@questforhealth Is this paired with loss of balance and coordonation?
Yes copper toxicity might exists, not implying it doesn't. I just think its very easy to deplete copper and i've seen cases of people going from toxicity to deficiency very fast. -
@questforhealth Do you have racing thoughts combined with a parasympatetic feeling like not having adrenaline but the mind is just racing or is it combined with a delirious adrenalized feeling?
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Hmm. Kind of actually. It’s really bad at night I can walk into walls. Very clumsy.
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No it feels very adrenalised not panicked but I feel like I’ve eaten a jar of coffee beans. Wired to hell.
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@questforhealth
Usually copper toxicity doesn't make you clumsy or having problems with coordonation and walking, it just makes you delirious and paranoid while you can walk fast and very coordonated. I felt something similar when I was having higher copper levels while i was iron deficient anemic. Iron supplementation fixed that, lowered too much copper and I started to have coordonation walking problems and spaced out feeling from the low copper levels that iron dropped, got fixed eating higher copper foods.Have you checked your iron panel?
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No but I smell the iron smell in meat very strongly the last few months. Not sure why. I do remember being paranoid a lot pretty much my whole life?
I also get these periods of being totally out of control thoughts racing and running around the house. It’s my version of hell on earth. I even got in a fight with my dad a few days ago. It’s really bad.
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@Razvan Basically, I think low iron to the point of almost anemia = adrenalized, sympatetic, racing thoughts, compensation for low oxygenation by your body putting you in high adrenaline to survive while having some high copper symptoms like paranoia, fear and low androgen behaviour.
Low copper= Not so much adrenaline and no paranoia, but spaced out, fatigued and having difficulty walking with coordonation problems also hypersomnia tendencies.
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Hmm. I do remember a year ago when I was still eating not peat just lots of eggs and some meat and lots of carbs green tea would make me feel absolutely unstoppable. I don’t know why on earth this was. Tripled strength. Now I don’t even have strength to plant potatoes meanwhile I could swing a pick axe all day a year ago. This time last year I was a bit depressed but at least had physical energy. Now I have nothing.
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@questforhealth Are you sensible to strong odors like gasoline for exemple? Do you even enjoy it? Do you get electric reaction to touching some materials? What are you describing was similar to some point to what i was feeling when I was so iron deficient(low appetite aswell from too much adrenaline)to the point that I started to become anemic from years of too high calcium and too much aspirin and vitamin E on a daily basis. Iron supplementation for 2 months fixed that while like I said lowered copper a bit too much and going to the other side of the symptoms of my previous post which got fixed pretty quickly within days of eating more copper rich foods. And of course iron supplements wreck also the gut.
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I have always liked the smell of gasoline for a few years now. Even a as a child. Hmm. I’ve been eating so much milk for a long time. Also been taking E and aspirin recently. I love the smell of gasoline it makes me hungry to think of the smell now?!?
I did buy a iron supplement a few days ago suspecting I was deficient but I took it and I felt it pushed me to the low copper end of the spectrum? Slept like 13 hours today and been craving potatoes.
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I’ve also been taking zinc for a few months. Probably finished a whole bottle of 22mg tablets which is about 100 doses.
What worries me is my face and skin have a feminine glow and my skin a year ago on my hands literally looked thicker and tougher?? Wtf?
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@questforhealth Liking gasoline is clearly a symptom of iron deficiency. You need iron and since you said you felt hypersomnic after a bit from it indicating low copper you might need also copper, I think you could have low ceuroplasmin still just because just because your not so iron deficient yet to the point of hemoglobin going too low, if you keep taking aspirin and E at some point your hemoglobin would also drop and then the ceuroplasmin and copper would rise too much as compensatory mechanism of too severe iron deficiency.
I would not supplement copper, just getting it from food with higher iron also and of course stopping aspirin and E for a period.
Also, cow milk has a bad copper/zinc ratio and zinc is a very strong iron and copper chelator apart form the calcium in which chelates the iron even more. Swapping it with goat milk should be much better due too better copper/zinc ratio.
Ceuroplasmin could also be low from low thyroid and thyroid is also needed to utilize properly and activate iron and copper synergetic work. Thyroid+ high iron foods with enough copper and not much zinc, while stopping aspirin and E sounds like a good start. But, be aware, you can have very bad reactions or even 0 reaction from thyroid while iron deficient so if it doesn't work I would introduce it after reassuring better iron status. -
@questforhealth Zinc like I said in the other post is a strong iron and copper chelator, I would stop immediatly, that could cause also the walking problems paired with the adrenalized feeling from maybe iron deficiency.
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Not sure where I can get that. Public health service in the UK is shocking. I’m pretty confident I can just go ahead and change my diet slowly and see what happens. I’ve 100% been craving goat milk and meat and things like that but RPF was telling me it takes years to get better and all this bs...
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@questforhealth
It takes 2-3 months to resolve these problems. It can go from delirious to confident, calm and happy resolving a mineral deficiency. We need a good iron-copper balance, they are truly essential and synergetic. Be aware also that too much beef could mess things up, its not a good food for the copper iron balance because of having too much zinc.
Studies with mice feeding them only beef made them anemic and copper deficient. I would prefere more beef heart. Dark chocolate, black olives, potatoes and blackstrap mollasses and maybe not too much goat milk are good foods for keeping a better mineral balance.Let me know!
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@Razvan I’ve been craving beef heart too. Seems like what you say and my intuition lines up well.
What about vitamin A? I think charlie may be right about this??? It does do weird things to me to eat liver now in the winter but summer time I seem to be ok?
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@questforhealth Too much or too little vitamin A could impair copper and iron transportation to vital parts and could make them get toxic in some organs and deficient in other parts. Also thyroid function is dependent on this and vitamin D aswell. There needs to be a balance beetween them. Liver might be too concentrated and if you dont respond well to it just don't eat it. Vitamin A is not a problem and it's necessary.
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I did find benefit from thyroid supplement occasionally actually but sometimes it just does nothing. Most of the time. Like when I was taking thyroid I felt warm and relaxed but still had the weird racing thoughts. Is this the iron thing again? It’s very inconsistent whether thyroid works but I try not to take it as I think Im young and shouldn’t really need it?
