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Supplementing T3 not safe afterall?

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    Wkia @Ecstatic_Hamster
    last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 7:30 PM

    @Ecstatic_Hamster Me Neither Ecstatic Hamster, I have no intention of going off my T4 medication.

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      Wkia @Master
      last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 7:32 PM

      @Master said in Supplementing T3 not safe afterall?:

      As far as I'm aware, Peat, Haidut, and Danny all advocate cycling to some extent.

      Do you know exactly how they did the cycling?

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        Wkia @Peatly
        last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 7:38 PM

        @Peatly said in Supplementing T3 not safe afterall?:

        Thyroid: Misconceptions newsletter

        Thanks Peatly.

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          cornwallis
          last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 7:58 PM

          This seems to be the consensus protocol from the forums:

          • Start with T3 monotherapy, at a few micrograms, one to three times daily
          • Closely monitor symptoms and vitals
          • Slowly increase T3 dosage and frequency over weeks; daily adjustments should be avoided
          • If/when sleep and cardiac issues show up, which they likely will, add in T4 in the evening
          • Every couple weeks adjust dosage and frequency of T3/T4 until full symptom improvement

          Best dosage and frequency (based, again, on my reading of forums and anecdata) is ~5mcgs T3 every 2-3 hours, with 20-60 mcgs T4 in the evening, in one or several dosages, with T3.

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            Ecstatic_Hamster
            last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 8:03 PM

            Denis Wilson's protocol for T3 can call for 180mcg per day of T3 only. I have tried it.

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              Kvothe @cornwallis
              last edited by Kvothe Mar 13, 2024, 11:50 PM Mar 13, 2024, 11:50 PM

              @cornwallis 5mcg every 2-3 hours is a huge, unphysiological dose for most hypothyroid people. I think nobody should start with more than 1mcg split into 2-3 doeses throughout the day as a first try.

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                moonpiemantooth @Ecstatic_Hamster
                last edited by Mar 14, 2024, 12:16 PM

                @Ecstatic_Hamster said in Supplementing T3 not safe afterall?:

                Denis Wilson's protocol for T3 can call for 180mcg per day of T3 only. I have tried it.

                Wilson’s protocol calls for cycling and short treatment correct? Curious what your results were. My mom tried Wilson’s protocol when I was young but couldn’t afford to continue.

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                  Ecstatic_Hamster @moonpiemantooth
                  last edited by Mar 14, 2024, 6:10 PM

                  @moonpiemantooth yes it is short term but not necessarily. Some people can’t get off of thyroid, and after a bout with T3, they still need thyroid.

                  That was my case.

                  I’m much better off with T4 and T3.

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                    cornwallis @Ecstatic_Hamster
                    last edited by Mar 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

                    @Ecstatic_Hamster What does your thyroid protocol look like?

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                      Master @Wkia
                      last edited by Mar 14, 2024, 6:26 PM

                      @Wkia No I've been trying to find the quote, but Ray definitely said it's good to take a break from time to time.

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                        Norwegian Mugabe
                        last edited by Mar 14, 2024, 6:27 PM

                        Nothing is safe anymore.

                        Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.

                        Ignore, judge, overcommit.

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                          Peatly
                          last edited by Peatly Mar 14, 2024, 7:19 PM Mar 14, 2024, 7:06 PM

                          “Broda Barnes tells some of the stories, for example, in the 1930s, he observed that thyroid deficiency, among other things, caused an extremely high rate of heart attacks and circulatory disease, infectious diseases, circulatory diseases and cancer were the main killers in a hypothyroid population. But when he started popularizing that, there was a reaction and JAMA published a story about a doctor who had given a patient who had just suffered a massive heart attack a supplement of, I think, two grains of armor thyroid starting right off on a full standard dose rather than working into it over a period of weeks and the patient died. And so that created the propaganda that natural thyroid could kill you with a heart attack.” Ray Peat

                          “A low thyroid person is breaking down the ATP because there's not enough magnesium to stabilize it, and if you don't have a good reserve of magnesium somewhere in your body, increasing the thyroid runs into a wall where there's not enough magnesium, and so it does nothing but increase stress. So making sure you're getting enough magnesium is essential when you're adjusting the thyroid.” Ray Peat

                          More discussion here

                          A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.

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                            Ecstatic_Hamster @cornwallis
                            last edited by Mar 15, 2024, 3:03 AM

                            @cornwallis 1.5 Cynoplus divided in three doses taken after meals.

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                              Wkia @Master
                              last edited by Mar 15, 2024, 7:56 AM

                              @Master Too bad but thanks anyway Master.

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