Soil health and its relations to plant, animal and consequently human health
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@questforhealth
I totally agree with you on the vital importance of healthy soil being an influencer of healthy gut syndrome! Hehehe. Actually I view it as more of a direct symbol. I had a great Naturopathic Dr (Norman Easley) 40 years ago, and he gave me an unlabelled gallon jug of 'dirty pond scum' looking water. He said this concoction had at minimum 12 different species of intestinal microbiota. But in numbers alone it contained primarily 8 different ones. He was developing a product, and this was the early stages. (A few years later it became a capsule.)The origin of this concoction was that it was originally from a natural farmer somewhere on the West Coast of the USA. (He was not specific on this.) People in his neck of the woods came to him when they were ill and couldn't get better. He gave them some capsules, etc., and they got well fast. Turns out he just gave them some dirt in capsules directly from his garden soil. So, yeah, good dirt.
Dr. Easley told me that around the world there were 100s of different biota according to the diversity of soils and food grown there. But usually there are 5-8 main ones in healthy folks' intestines, and some smaller percentages of lesser ones. But these 'main' 5-8 biota were different in different parts of the world, dependent on soil composition.
Now in my case 39 years ago, I had very poor digestion, was eating only organic food, and was not a happy chappy; ie super low energy. So after ingesting some of this biota liquid, my guts had a war all night long, and in the morning after some running to the toilet, the good biota won! Yeah go good biota,.....
In conclusion, if it ain't in the soil (biota), then no chance that it (biota)will be in your intestines in any great number. And stress - serotonin - does cause the environment in your intestines to support problematic biota. Sympathetic innervation is a factor (think 'psychosomatic') and is one reason that the modern lifestyle, ie -NOT relaxing truly, and deeply, is not helpful for healthy biota, and is antithetical to overall health. Also not a small part of the equation is that happiness, motivation, and "feeling GOOD" is related to the health of our intestines, and probably dopamine. (there may be others). Over and out.
PS Just one more thing..... also of note the mineral components in the soil dictate the mineral components in the plants grown. Many years ago the fad of promoting pumpkin seeds as an aphrodisiac was found to be 'scientifically' relating to the high Zinc (and magnesium) content. But then it was revealed that this was due to where the pumkin seeds were then grown (and tested). This was in the 1990's if I remember correctly, and the main exporters of pumpkin seeds (to the USA) then was some country in Europe, or Eastern Europe. Bulgaria I think, but not 100% sure. Again, this reinforces the importance of soil management and constituents.
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Nice to see some people in the world still making sense. This sort of stuff is real medicine and real living.
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@questforhealth And notice how popular it is! Not.... .
In TCM, yes I am biased because I trained over 30 years ago in this, the Spleen/Stomach is considered Earth element. In Basic terms these '2 organs' transform FOOD into You!The symbology of healthy GI tract to fertile soil is not so figurative as people think. Mostly because they overthink! Just my 2 cents.
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TCM, very cool, I have been slowly chewing through some TCM books, mostly acupuncture, though I'm interested in TCM dietetics.
May I ask what led you to bioenergetics?
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I'm starting to think that health and life is actually very simple. Maybe it doesn't have to be so hard to heal and it doesn't have to take years upon years? Sometimes a simple thing can turn our lives around. I don't know where it comes from people telling us it takes years and hard work and suffering.. Why does it have to be like that?
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@JulofEnoch
Sure. About 12 years ago my wife got the info regarding Ray Peat's different orientation in biology/health/nutrition from a yoga student of hers. I was initiating a "macro-mineral top up" diet for myself and her, as we were approaching 50 years in age. So I looked at and read a lot of Ray's work directly from his website, and wasn't interested at that time in the RPF much. Mostly because it is always the BEST idea, IMO, to go to the source as and when possible. Even though I had a background in basic bio and pathology at college, Ray's work is thick! and requires several readings for me anyway to get what he means (well say 90%) in a particular article. Then I realized that as long as he kept things super academic, the 'authorities wouldn't come after him'. As in Gilbert Ling, and Hillman, etc.. .Ray is, imo, as close to wholistic medicine as possible in physiological terms. Liver plays such a huge role in hormones, and it is not at all emphasized in the West, but is in TCM. At least in terms of women's health.
And finally , again, TCM is a system of health, not one based on disease. A simple but powerful orientation.
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@questforhealth
Hmmmmm, it CAN take a while to heal if; the body is full of PUFA's, if the liver is damaged though ETOH or other toxins, if the psycho-emotional scars are deep and negative, or at least not positive (ie- worrying...), too much thinking - seriously, and because of general bad nutrition from eating the SAD diet for decades, = standard American diet!, and if as a baby one was not breastfed.These are in some part all usually applicable to most of us unfortunately.
But.... one can get healthier faster if the goal is clear, and continual process is made weekly, monthly, yearly, etc... . We have mostly been drinking NON-chlorinated/Non-fluoridated water for over 10 years. Also when I was in the states my town stopped fluoridation for at least a year, as it was causing other issues with copper toxicity in the water. (Juneau, Alaska... strange but true.) Anyhow, sure that also makes a difference for some people.
Feeling good, as in fully alive, is the main thang in my book. How one gets there is up to the individual. Cheers, gotta roast coffee now!
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Currently considering moving out my parents house and going somewhere but fuck knows where
I don't think its possible to heal in a bad environment
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Very cool, thank you. Hillman's work is excellent- I've suggested Evidence-Based Cell Biology to many people interested in biology.
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What do people here think of soy...
I hate visiting farms... They REEEK of the stuff... I don't think it's any good. Especially if they feed to animals and people eat that stuff.... After growing up around farms I only really like to eat grass fed organs and eat only plants for the rest of my food....
The people running this scheme on the top are ABSOLUTE geniuses pushing soy on us. idiots
I'm going to try growing my own corn this year and make my own nixtamalized corn flour... no more bs non organic food for me
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Wait wait
Energy and structure
I remember
Soil has structure which is given to it by living organisms which are driven by energy
Structured porous soils grow good crops
So energy and structure happens at every level of the universe it seems?
So much for us trying to pump ourselves full of supplements but our food lacks the very thing Dr Peat told us about
and if you are what you eat.... you see where I'm going.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2607/7/9/287.... Does Soil Contribute to the Human Gut Microbiome?
I just swallowed soil capsules. Lets see what happens.
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@questforhealth said in Soil health and its relations to plant, animal and consequently human health:
but our food lacks the very thing Dr Peat told us about
q4h, please be a bit more careful with your statements. You're making them to yourself before you make them to anyone else. This one in particular is a bit ridiculous.
Short food supply chains might be "optimal". But there's nothing to fear in the meantime. The chemist inside you is probably smarter than you. Just don't make pop-tarts and the like a staple.
Cheerio, I must get back to work.
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@questforhealth
Quite possibly q4h. I'm just keen for you not to alienate yourself from the plentiful, whole food sources that are quite easily accessible to most people.
It wouldn't have the form or taste it does if it were really as tainted as a lot of the dodgy information online might suggest. That said, I do most of my shopping at a "super"market and don't have the space to grow anything without significant effort and expense. So on the one hand I would say this.
On the other hand, I don't have any health complaints beyond an unquenchable thirst to learn things. And in my experience, they were always a result of my behaviour and choices. Which often stemmed from advice I should have thought critically of before acting. The learning addiction is probably perpetuated by my job and media consumption. It usually quiets when I chill out for a while.
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Yeah I don't know I've been buying organic food only and I'm not sure if it's overkill. I don't believe pesticides and stuff like that are safe. Anything that isn't biological is like throwing sand in an engine... Might get away with it might not
I just believe in nature and biology because I am starting to know how it works
The thing is, if the farmers would grow the food the right way there wouldn't be a need for us to do this. Everyone would have good food. Thats why I talk about this stuff. Because we need good food for all.
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All fair positions there q4h. Maybe I'm preempting extreme that would never be if I said nothing at all.
Except the last paragraph I just saw added. The produce I buy seems fine to me. Whoever's growing that must be doing alright. I would prefer to know them none the less.
I do like sand quite a bit. Hopefully I'll be able to dig my bare feet in to it for a while this summer.
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I want to go to the beach more this summer... Feet on sand is perfect.. Grounding
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Honestly wish my health would come back so I could experiment... Eat supermarket food for a few months and see... Then eat organic and homegrown and so on... It's worth trying yourself to see. We never know what can happen.
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@questforhealth yeah bacteria in large intestine is very good you just want small intestine sterile, without overgrowth. what type of soil? should i just go nearby park and progressive overload starting small like pinch of dirt and work up larger over time
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I've been taking capsules, going to try once a week for now I just take vitamin capsules and empty them out and put soil in, Yeah build up slowly I guess. An old farmer once told me we need to eat a certain amount of soil and it was some old measurement that I can't convert but it's more than we think
Somewhere wild would be best because we don't want chemicals but also I think it could make sibo worse but I've read that soil probiotics can make it better so I'm not sure... Maybe you need to be at least somewhat healthy to do this stuff first. I felt a warm feeling in my gut after doing it funnily enough. I'm not that healthy yet.
If you know someone who grows vegetables try a muddy carrot salad....
