Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating
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@ThinPicking You seem to be denying genetic differences but if groups of people are visually different then they're likely genetically also.
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@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
You seem to be denying genetic differences but if groups of people are visually different then they're likely genetically also.
Where exactly? I am being a bit... abstract, for the potential of the original subject matter to raise hell.
I've taken issue with the idea genetic differences can explain variance in cognitive potential. Assuming that's even measurable. And assuming a height of it is even desirable. This seems to be a metabolic and environmental phenomenon.
I could take issue with the idea that genes are deterministic of physical differences over several generations, or that they're able to retain them if there are drastic changes in environment. But that's not the angle here. They certainly reflect them at any given moment.
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@ThinPicking said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
I've taken issue with the idea genetic differences can explain variance in cognitive potential. Assuming that's even measurable.
It seems petty to me to acknowledge physical genetic differences but deny that there's a possibility of cognitive genetic differences. And, moreover, at the same time question whether the cognitive potential is even measurable. If a "difference" is not measurable how can we even talk of science?
@ThinPicking said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
I could take issue with the idea that genes are deterministic of physical differences over several generations, or that they're able to retain them if there are drastic changes in environment.
I don't understand what you mean by this. Blacks in america are still black even tho environment changed and generations passed. But if you inter-breed and change genes then appearance will change too obviously.
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@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
It seems petty to me to acknowledge physical genetic differences but deny that there's a possibility of cognitive genetic differences. And, moreover, at the same time question whether the cognitive potential is even measurable. If a "difference" is not measurable how can we even talk of science?
Neuroplasticity and surrounding factors don't seem petty to me. Denying them would. But I couldn't prove a position in literature alone.
You can measure aspects of it at points in time. IQ measuring several that are quite variable for an individual depending on their behaviour and understanding of the test itself. I could knock 10 points off an average of mine in a week with a sharp pivot to keto and/or other stupidity. Or improve with practice.
@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
I don't understand what you mean by this. Blacks in america are still black even tho environment changed and generations passed. But if you inter-breed and change genes then appearance will change too obviously.
It wouldn't be surprising to me if epigenetic signalling for skin melanisation were something akin to turning an oil tanker floating in heavy crude. Nor that the genome would be riddled with subtle change, much in response to a picture far more complex than latitude.
But I don't know. And couldn't beyond reasonable doubt the last time I checked.
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@ThinPicking said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
I've taken issue with the idea genetic differences can explain variance in cognitive potential. Assuming that's even measurable. And assuming a height of it is even desirable. This seems to be a metabolic and environmental phenomenon.
I could take issue with the idea that genes are deterministic of physical differences over several generations, or that they're able to retain them if there are drastic changes in environment. But that's not the angle here. They certainly reflect them at any given moment.
The environmental influence is apparent even within the first generation when people migrate. Dr. Peat mentions the work of anthropologist Boas in this passage:
“Professor Franz Boas at Columbia thought of himself as a Darwinist and evolution-oriented thinker, but when he actually studied the facts, he was showing that the environment rather than the genes govern even the person's biology, not only their language and thoughts and culture and ordinary everyday behavior, but even the shape of their organism. He measured the heads of Europeans who had moved either to New York or Puerto Rico and found that the first generation offspring of these immigrants had heads shaped more like New Yorkers or Puerto Ricans than like the European parents. Even though he thought of himself as a Darwinist, it showed the powerful importance of the material and the social culture that people move into, shaping even the organism, the body.” Ray Peat
Though Boas does not dismiss heredity completely but he warns against giving it too much prominence
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It makes sense to me.
But I did make a rather bold "environment is not destiny" statement somewhere else, without meaning for genes to fill the gap. What was I getting at and do I even know. I'll be needing more days, more sleep and more patience for this. Or another light with another shortcut.
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@ThinPicking Yes you were clear.
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@ThinPicking Obviously there are differences between ethnicities thats why why the term ethnicity exists. I don't have to make a thread.
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@zawisza I think this guy is doing it out of spite. I just think vulgar antisemitism is for idiotic people with 'christ is king' in their bio. Its boring and a sign of very low intelligence.
I'm sorry but the way we eat as Peaters can look retarded to outsiders, the fickleness and pettiness of the original poster to react like such a women at the age of 20 because SHOCK HORROR someone made a joke at his expense. Grow up.
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@hwisdom lmao at this fucking thread, good original post though
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@lanadelesoteric said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
@ThinPicking Obviously there are differences between ethnicities thats why why the term ethnicity exists. I don't have to make a thread.
Visually, obviously.
If you're also saying this while standing under your previous statement about IQ and "success" then you sound "idiotic", "boring" and you're showing signs of "very low intelligence" (hopefully temporarily).
Have a great day none the less.
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@Peatly said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
the first generation offspring of these immigrants had heads shaped more like New Yorkers or Puerto Ricans than like the European parents.
It's a very interesting observation, but it proves nothing. What would be required is a series of measurements over multiple generations and then to show that those changes can overpower genetic differences. For as far as we know they might have been moulding into an ostrich with New Yorkers being an intermediate state. Meanwhile, reappropriating Malthus' quote:
A writer may tell me that he thinks man will ultimately become an ostrich. I cannot properly contradict him. But before he can expect to bring any reasonable person over to his opinion, he ought to shew, that the necks of mankind have been gradually elongating; that the lips have grown harder, and more prominent; that the legs and feet are daily altering their shape; and that the hair is beginning to change into stubs of feathers. And till the probability of so wonderful a conversion can be shewn, it is surely lost time and lost eloquence to expatiate on the happiness of man in such a state
Also, I don't know how changes were measured, but fat distribution or weakened bone structure due to different diet could potentially explain some of it. And the fact that black people in USA are still black, and whites are white, and mexicans distinctly mexican proves that extrapolating the changes ad infinitum till we're all one grey race was wrong.
@ThinPicking said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
Visually, obviously.
Racial differences are bones deep (or even deeper) as shown by MIT study where Deep Learning model could predict race from X-ray images.
In the end, you're just begging the question: Ray Peat said everything is environmental or metabolic; ergo, race (or cognition) is environmental or metabolic.
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@lanadelesoteric said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
the fickleness and pettiness of the original poster to react like such a women at the age of 20 because SHOCK HORROR someone made a joke at his expense
It clearly was meant to be humorous post so don't read too much into it.
Average age here is way too high...
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@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
Racial differences are bones deep (or even deeper) as shown by MIT study where Deep Learning model could predict race from X-ray images.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/ai-generates-images-from-our-brains.49764/post-907958
In the end, you're just struggling with your time and looking for a reason not to keep trying.
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@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
Average age here is way too high...
The phrase "pull the rug out from under you" springs to mind. You're free to leave of course.
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@zawisza Its not funny at all.
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@lanadelesoteric That's your problem.
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@lanadelesoteric lying again are we? Go read the post again since ur clearly just believing whatever u wanna believe since the cognitive scheme made you disregard whatever the post was saying and instead opted for the conclusion with the hoghest dopamine spike and with the least energy consumed cus ur hypothyroid check ur temperature nigger + ur prolly 18.5 right?
MILF
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@zawisza said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
@Peatly said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:
the first generation offspring of these immigrants had heads shaped more like New Yorkers or Puerto Ricans than like the European parents.
It's a very interesting observation, but it proves nothing. What would be required is a series of measurements over multiple generations and then to show that those changes can overpower genetic differences. For as far as we know they might have been moulding into an ostrich with New Yorkers being an intermediate state. Meanwhile, reappropriating Malthus' quote:
A writer may tell me that he thinks man will ultimately become an ostrich. I cannot properly contradict him. But before he can expect to bring any reasonable person over to his opinion, he ought to shew, that the necks of mankind have been gradually elongating; that the lips have grown harder, and more prominent; that the legs and feet are daily altering their shape; and that the hair is beginning to change into stubs of feathers. And till the probability of so wonderful a conversion can be shewn, it is surely lost time and lost eloquence to expatiate on the happiness of man in such a state
You are quoting from an essay that spawned the eugenicists’ policies which caused mass suffering and death around the world. May I remind you that the reason why we are swimming in seed oil, just one example, is because of these policies? You/we are the excess to requirement they want to reduce.
I have nothing else to add to what I posted above.
