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    A Former User @winters
    last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 4:30 AM

    @winters said in anemic (heavy metal toxicity?):

    I guess DMPS will do the trick? Although I don’t know where to get it…

    DMPS is NOT a good idea. Research it. Do some serious research re. what is recommended to use to detox from antimony.

    DMSA might be helpful. Not DMPS.
    see these:
    Interactions of antimony with biomolecules and its effects on human health
    "Sb could be excreted from the human body through urine and defecation, although defecation is not considered excretion in medical science and biology because it is a food residue that is unabsorbed by organisms. Due to the greater difficulty involved in obtaining and treating samples, numerous studies have been conducted on urine. Rapid renal excretion is main pathway to eliminate Sb(V) (Kip et al., 2018). As shown in 2.2 and Table S1, people who are exposed to high levels of Sb will have higher Sb levels in urine. Recent results showed different excretion rates in urine: 0.08 μg/24 h in Sweden (Barregard et al., 2021) and 0.15 μg/24 h in China (Wang et al., 2019c). In addition, some chemicals influence the excretion of Sb, such as dimercaptosuccinic acid, which can treat autism spectrum disorder and somewhat increase the concentration of Sb in urine (Adams et al., 2009)."

    Dimercaptosuccinic Acid

    Antimony causes high oxidative stress. High oxidative stress depletes thiamine. It also depletes glutathione. High dose thiamine hcl resolved my high oxidative stress caused by mercury toxicity; it also allowed my glutathione level to normalize.

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      winters @A Former User
      last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 8:56 AM

      @mostlylurking

      okay, but I don’t know where I can get that without a prescription

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        A Former User @winters
        last edited by A Former User Oct 25, 2024, 1:09 PM Oct 25, 2024, 1:08 PM

        @winters You need to find a good detox doctor to help you. This is a serious medical situation. Detoxing by chelation is serious business.

        I don't know about antimony specifically except for what I found about it last night (posted above). The recommended chelator in the article is DMSA. DMPS is some dangerous stuff; not recommended by detox professionals.

        I've been chelated (EDTA IV's, over 100 treatments) for heavy metal poisoning (lead, arsenic, cadmium, et. al.) and have also been chelated for mercury (DMSA capsule, followed by EDTA IV, 20 treatments). I've still got the mercury problem though and probably always will. Mercury is notoriously difficult/impossible to get out of the body.

        I experienced tremendous improvement in my health problems from taking high dose thiamine hcl. I follow Dr. Costantini's protocol. He was a neurologist in Italy who treated Parkinson's Disease patients with thiamine hcl.

        Mercury (and other heavy metals, including antimony) cause high oxidative stress. High oxidative stress depletes thiamine. It's the thiamine deficiency which is so dangerous. Thiamine is vitamin B1. You can get it over the counter. There are multiple types of thiamine. TTFD is newer and experts like to recommend it but it uses up glutathione. If you have heavy metal poisoning, which results in high oxidative stress, your glutathione level will be greatly reduced which makes it more likely to have a negative reaction to TTFD.

        Antimony is known to cause poor glutathione status (by causing high oxidative stress). Thiamine hcl is known to lower oxidative stress and it is known to normalize the body's glutathione level. I experienced this improvement myself.
        suggested reading: https://www.mercuryfreekids.org/mercury101/2018/1/21/thiamine-saves

        also: Thiamine-Responsive Megaloblastic Anemia Syndrome
        also:
        Interaction of antimony tartrate with the tripeptide glutathione implication for its mode of action
        "The tripeptide glutathione (gamma-L-Glu-L-Cys-Gly, GSH) is thought to play an important role in the biological processing of antimony drugs."

        If your glutathione level has been depleted because your antimony poisoning has caused high oxidative stress, then you won't have enough glutathione to help your body to "process"/detox the antimony. The body's glutathione level is notoriously difficult to improve; you can't simply take glutathione; it doesn't work that way. But my own glutathione level normalized in around 4 months when taking high dose thiamine hcl per Dr. Costantini's protocol.

        I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. I am simply sharing my own experiences.

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          DavidPS
          last edited by DavidPS Oct 25, 2024, 1:57 PM Oct 25, 2024, 1:41 PM

          Modified citrus pectin appears to be another over-the-counter option.

          The Effect of Modified Citrus Pectin on
          Urinary Excretion of Toxic Elements
          (2006)

          ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
          ☂️

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            A Former User @DavidPS
            last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 2:54 PM

            @DavidPS bad link.

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              DavidPS @A Former User
              last edited by DavidPS Oct 25, 2024, 3:03 PM Oct 25, 2024, 2:57 PM

              @mostlylurking - Thanks, the link works for me. Here is an alternative link to the full text.
              https://sci-hub.se/10.1002/ptr.1953

              ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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                A Former User
                last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 2:57 PM

                The effect of modified citrus pectin on urinary excretion of toxic elements

                "This pilot trial provides the first evidence that oral administration of MCP increases significantly the urinary excretion of toxic metals in subjects with a 'normal' body load of metals. It is suggested that systemic chelation of toxic metals by MCP may in part be attributable to the presence of rhamnogalacturonan II, which has been shown previously to chelate metals. "

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                  A Former User @DavidPS
                  last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 3:25 PM

                  @DavidPS Interesting article; sounds like it would help.

                  Thiamine is recommended for lead poisoning in veterinary medicine. https://www.merckvetmanual.com/toxicology/lead-poisoning/lead-poisoning-in-animals#Treatment_v3354065 (search for Thiamine).
                  also:
                  The therapeutic potential of thiamine for treatment of experimentally induced subacute lead poisoning in sheep "These results suggest that thiamine might have some therapeutic effects on lead poisoning, but the zinc status of depletion should be considered during long periods of treatment."
                  also
                  Effect of thiamine on the cadmium–chelating capacity of thiol compounds "In conclusion, the administration of thiamine during chelation therapy in cadmium poisoning may be beneficial and more effective than thiol chelating agents alone, which needs to be confirmed in humans."

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                    DavidPS
                    last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 3:47 PM

                    Some herbal detox agents:
                    Heavy metals detoxification: A review of herbal compounds for chelation therapy in heavy metals toxicity

                    ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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                      A Former User @A Former User
                      last edited by Oct 25, 2024, 6:22 PM

                      @Prometheus88

                      Give a nigga some credit 😫🙏🏻

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