@Jakeandpace said in What defines the 'bile dump' the Charlie forum always talks about?:
m glad you have such great reactions to liver but I think it’s dangerous when people homogenise a diet or a food to say it’s good for everyone in any circumstance without discussing possible downsides which are present with foods like liver. I agree in a lot of cases it can be great but as evidence of this whole movement of Low A people it clearly isn’t all great all the time.
Nothing is ever clear cut and I don't have to give you fair warning that what applies to me does not necessarily apply to you. I would call it common sense even. As what happens differs between people in reacting to any substance is very much a matter of context.
In like manner, you need not tell me that what is your experience should be mine either.
I can speculate, and you can speculate as well, and we can each give compelling arguments to buttress each of our case. For my experience and your experience do not line up with each other.
But I'll speculate. What if the people who cannot metabolize vitamin A well are really hypothyroid, in various degrees, without knowing they are, and the vitamin A they have accumulated is having a toxic effect on them because they are hypothyroid?
Consider that the US medical system uses a system of evaluating hypothyroidism that unduly makes far too many false negatives on hypothyroidism based on a thyroid panel. On top of that, an overwhelming majority of Peaters don't even know how to use alternate methods of testing for hypothyroidism because they are just too lackadaisical about using the QTc value in an ECG or an Achilles tendon reflex test to verify the diagnosis of doctors using the thyroid panel of TSH, T3, and T4. Are you yourself among these people?
I know for a fact that most people would rather just cross their fingers and get tested for hypothyroidism and hope they don't get a false negative. They could buy a personal ECG and test their ECG but they will not, or they can go out of their way to get a free Achilles tendon reflex done, but no, they would not do that either.They are just very passive about getting the right diagnosis on the state of their thyroid.
And most actually don't even get their thyroid tested because it costs a lot, and when their primary care physician does not approve a test, they cross their fingers and hope they aren't hypothyroid. Not that it helps when the thyroid panel usually gives a false positive on hypothyroid.
Until they do get a good thyroid test, they have no business blaming vitamin A for this putative toxic state when all along they leave the door open to be hypothyroid enough to make themselves unable to properly and normally metabolize vitamin A.
If you think it to be inconceivable that a lot of people can exhibit such deficiency in clear thinking, it does happen and is far too common. Too many fables in kindergarten occur in the real world. From the emperor with no clothes to the pied piper of Hamlin. You don't have to be a lemming to act like one.