Joe Rogan Interview with Chris Masterjohn : Aligning more with Ray Pear
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Must see or hear. I highly recommend it. Joe Rogan often gets guests that speak on health with warped ideas that are not consistent with bioenergetics. But this time, he has Chris Masterjohn. Chris, just like Joe Mercola and many other health Influencers, has come around towards Ray's initially fringe ideas about PUFAs/seed oils vis a vis saturated fats.
While Chris tends to go over my head when he talks, here we see the benefit of having Joe make Chris explain things like he explains to a typical layperson.
I actually enjoyed this interview. Off hand, I remember only a few salient details. One is that Chris explains why he prefers a food first strategy of providing our body with nutrients over a pharma first approach. I'm happy to hear this as this aligns with Peat's preference, though in interviews Ray sometimes comes across as tending to talk about the use of hormones, and many members of bioenergetics forum would take as a sign to use hormones first over nutrition. He explains more in detail in the interview why the food first approach is better.
He has an interesting take also on how olive oil became popular. I'm not 100% I follow him on this, as olive oil is like the mead acid in our body.
Chris is earnest in his research. He started with not having all the answers, but that didn't stop him from offering his services as a coach, just as all coaches and even doctors do. This learn and earn approach is very much the norm anyway, if you really think about. But relative to the average person, having an earnest coach who knows more is still better than going it alone when our own health is concerned.
Give a listen. Let me know how you like this interview.
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@yerrag - Thank you, this video is a great find.
This is a long interview. Here are the timestamps:
00:00 – Intro + Thanksgiving food coma vibes
00:33 – Turkey tryptophan myth debunked (it’s the gorging)
01:39 – Lions pass out after feasts — humans too
02:43 – Deep sleep = mitochondria taking a nap
03:59 – 20g creatine beats all-night sleep deprivation (brain + mood)
05:26 – Creatine isn’t just for muscles anymore
06:46 – Creatine powers sperm, retina stomach acid everything
07:47 – Red light bed reversed Joe’s macular degeneration
09:05 – Red light on chest improved eyesight next day (eyes covered)
10:12 – Marigold-fed egg yolks = best lutein/zeaxanthin
11:10 – Seed oils block vitamin A conversion
12:22 – Best glutathione = the kind your body makes
13:27 – Sunlight beats vitamin D pills every time
14:32 – Winter sun hacks + minimal tanning bed use
16:54 – Methylene blue: miracle or mitochondrial detour chaos?
19:23 – Methylene blue = shady airport taxis in your mitochondria didn’t order
21:06 – Healthy animals + MB = less ATP (don’t take it blind)
23:27 – 40-year-old carnivore guy tanked by 1mg methylene blue
24:05 – Aging = 1% mitochondrial loss per year (50% gone by 70)
26:15 – 75% of that decline is under your control
27:12 – #1 Creatine (1–2 lbs red meat or supplement)
29:12 – Vegan creatine steel-man = ½ kg tofu + ½ kg quinoa daily (good luck)
29:42 – #2 Morning sunlight wakes mitochondria
31:15 – Red light devices on top of real sun
31:46 – #3 Nose-to-tail + protein diversity
34:19 – #4 Exercise every movement quality (not just cardio)
36:45 – Gymnasts & pole vaulters live 8 years longer
38:32 – Cyclists only +2 years (longevity gurus crying)
41:26 – Mouse study: stretching stops tumor growth
43:54 – Being upside-down beats walking for fluid circulation
45:14 – Joe & Chris converting workouts to gymnastics skills
50:56 – Skill sports (Muay Thai, BJJ) > mindless reps for brain longevity
56:17 – Repeated injuries = hidden mitochondrial tax
59:10 – You never truly recover 100% from big injuries
1:00:21 – Concussions make the whole body fragile
1:01:23 – 20g creatine speeds TBI healing
1:02:42 – CoQ10 vs methylene blue (totally different mechanisms)
1:03:26 – Eat heart = best natural CoQ10
1:05:22 – Chicken vs beef heart? No data yet
1:07:10 – CoQ10 sweet spot 100–200mg; 400mg+ often backfires
1:12:55 – Woman gets period back after 10 years on 700–800mg CoQ10
1:15:02 – High-dose thiamine horror story (motor dysfunction)
1:17:16 – Home lactate testing = real-time mitochondrial stress signal
1:19:19 – “Food is a diversified portfolio against ignorance”
1:20:33 – CoQ10 = main ferry, methylene blue = shady taxis
1:23:11 – CoQ10 also drives mitochondrial biogenesis
1:24:19 – Seed oils: the real story nobody wants to hear
1:25:38 – Seed oils make tissues fragile, not directly toxic
1:27:07 – 1960s–70s trials (5–8 years) showed seed oils → cancer & death
1:29:07 – LA Veterans Study: cancer exploded after year 2
1:31:43 – Takes 4 years for your tissues to “look like” seed oils
1:34:50 – The great canola con (and fake corn pics on bottles)
1:36:39 – Cold-pressed exists… but still high PUFA
1:38:24 – Seed oils = high polyunsaturated fats (the real issue)
1:42:25 – Saturated fat demonization started with 1984 Time magazine cover
1:43:34 – Time later flipped it to a smiley face (oops)
1:45:02 – High cholesterol can be sluggish metabolism, not just “too much”
1:47:31 – Minnesota Coronary Survey: seed oils doubled atherosclerosis (data buried)
1:50:17 – High cholesterol + clean diet = very different animal
1:51:11 – Brain senses abundance via mitochondrial ATP efficiency
1:54:Thumb53 – Statins are mitochondrial toxins (CoQ10 + more)
1:59:09 – Thyroid 101: tyrosine + iodine + selenium + antioxidants
2:00:14 – Seafood & kelp = reliable iodine
2:02:15 – Bromine, fluoride, big breasts raise iodine need
2:04:29 – No salt = no iodine = goiters are back
2:05:47 – Atherosclerosis = immune system quarantining oxidized seed-oil particles
2:10:25 – Daniel Steinberg (1984 NIH chair) proved oxidized PUFAs drive plaque
2:15:30 – Nattokinase breaks acute clots that cause 98% of heart attacks
2:17:10 – Natto > nattokinase (you get K2 too)
2:18:52 – Wrap-up + where to find Chris (chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com & mito.me)
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@DavidPS
Thanks for your comments. And it's very thoughtful of you to provide the timestamps. It shows how much material they covered.
