A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum
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@questforhealth Liking gasoline is clearly a symptom of iron deficiency. You need iron and since you said you felt hypersomnic after a bit from it indicating low copper you might need also copper, I think you could have low ceuroplasmin still just because just because your not so iron deficient yet to the point of hemoglobin going too low, if you keep taking aspirin and E at some point your hemoglobin would also drop and then the ceuroplasmin and copper would rise too much as compensatory mechanism of too severe iron deficiency.
I would not supplement copper, just getting it from food with higher iron also and of course stopping aspirin and E for a period.
Also, cow milk has a bad copper/zinc ratio and zinc is a very strong iron and copper chelator apart form the calcium in which chelates the iron even more. Swapping it with goat milk should be much better due too better copper/zinc ratio.
Ceuroplasmin could also be low from low thyroid and thyroid is also needed to utilize properly and activate iron and copper synergetic work. Thyroid+ high iron foods with enough copper and not much zinc, while stopping aspirin and E sounds like a good start. But, be aware, you can have very bad reactions or even 0 reaction from thyroid while iron deficient so if it doesn't work I would introduce it after reassuring better iron status. -
@questforhealth Zinc like I said in the other post is a strong iron and copper chelator, I would stop immediatly, that could cause also the walking problems paired with the adrenalized feeling from maybe iron deficiency.
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Not sure where I can get that. Public health service in the UK is shocking. I’m pretty confident I can just go ahead and change my diet slowly and see what happens. I’ve 100% been craving goat milk and meat and things like that but RPF was telling me it takes years to get better and all this bs...
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@questforhealth
It takes 2-3 months to resolve these problems. It can go from delirious to confident, calm and happy resolving a mineral deficiency. We need a good iron-copper balance, they are truly essential and synergetic. Be aware also that too much beef could mess things up, its not a good food for the copper iron balance because of having too much zinc.
Studies with mice feeding them only beef made them anemic and copper deficient. I would prefere more beef heart. Dark chocolate, black olives, potatoes and blackstrap mollasses and maybe not too much goat milk are good foods for keeping a better mineral balance.Let me know!
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@Razvan I’ve been craving beef heart too. Seems like what you say and my intuition lines up well.
What about vitamin A? I think charlie may be right about this??? It does do weird things to me to eat liver now in the winter but summer time I seem to be ok?
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@questforhealth Too much or too little vitamin A could impair copper and iron transportation to vital parts and could make them get toxic in some organs and deficient in other parts. Also thyroid function is dependent on this and vitamin D aswell. There needs to be a balance beetween them. Liver might be too concentrated and if you dont respond well to it just don't eat it. Vitamin A is not a problem and it's necessary.
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I did find benefit from thyroid supplement occasionally actually but sometimes it just does nothing. Most of the time. Like when I was taking thyroid I felt warm and relaxed but still had the weird racing thoughts. Is this the iron thing again? It’s very inconsistent whether thyroid works but I try not to take it as I think Im young and shouldn’t really need it?
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@questforhealth Yes, like I said before some people dont respond to thyroid when having low iron or low copper.
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I hope it’s this. All signs point in the right direction. This zinc I stopped taking a few days ago as it was making me feel so awful. I was even taking molybdenum to lower copper further and I 100% spaced out.
I don’t know wtf charlie is doing but it seems dangerous to tell this stuff to people.
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@questforhealth Yes, molybdenum is crazy strong with zinc to chelate copper.
There is a lot of horror stories about this.
You dont need anymore zinc, like I told you I would focus especially on iron and getting enough copper, beef heart is good for this. Try to introduce thyroid when eating iron foods after a while, if you have better effect is clear. Also like I said thyroid should also raise ceuroplasmin and copper and will regulate iron. -
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@S-Holmes Can you be more specific with your request?
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@brad Sure. It's supposed to be about members who were banned from the RP Forum. Some folks are posting about health stuff, iron, copper, etc...all fine and good but shouldn't those be in another thread?
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@S-Holmes I'm not planning on moderating on that level, apologies, because then those replies would be orphaned in another thread without context.
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@brad Oh hmmmm. Ok My OCD is getting the best of me. Lol.
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@S-Holmes said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
@brad Sure. It's supposed to be about members who were banned from the RP Forum. Some folks are posting about health stuff, iron, copper, etc...all fine and good but shouldn't those be in another thread?
Oops. Yea. This is probably supposed to be our job not a moderators.
That was a special case. I'll OCD thy self in future.
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@questforhealth I like inosine.
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What does it do for you?
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@questforhealth I had an issue of racy thoughts while laying in bed to sleep. I would drift off but need to get up to pee several times throughout the night. This is adrenaline.
But I think the method of action is bringing more oxygen to tissue and produces ATP:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8421806/I can't search the RPF for haidut's posts on it. And they were embedded within his commentary.
I just needed 3 doses to permanently fix my situation.
I took a few grams in the evening. By the 3rd night, I did not get up to pee at night. Never have again.
I used this one in powder form.
https://anabolnaturals.com/formula-supplements/inosine/inosine-200-gm-powder.htmlI think it is not that it blocks adrenaline. it's like adrenaline is not needed because there is enough energy to stay out of the compensatory stress metabolism.
