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Concentric exercise and "bio-electric" direct current

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    thebodyelectric_
    last edited by Feb 29, 2024, 9:43 PM

    Ray's comments on concentric exercise were super impactful to the way I understood our technology and "bio-electric current". I think the culture is essentially so-maladaptive and people have such movement dysfunction , that they simply cannot move in a generative way. This leads to poor posture, chronic pain, and general low energy conditions. I think if Ray's work has a weakness, it's that he misunderstood just how poor people's movement patterns are and that to restore healthy metabolism and a high energy state it is often necessary to actively engage in "constructive" exercise and activities to remedy those issues. Essentially, our tech is able to acutely locate and identify those tissues that are not able to concentrically contract efficiently and stimulate them to do so. It is then beneficial to pair those contractions with good movement patterns like yoga flows, body weight movement that is conscientious of "good" position and recently I have become a big fan of the GOATA system as well as Primal Movement, I think it called. Similar to the way Ray saw the culture as so maladaptive that we may need things like progesterone, I also think we may need interventions like the retraining of movement patterns (of which there are many different ways up that mountain like yoga, for example), and potentially therapies like "bio-electric" current when injuries or chronic dysfunctions need to be quite literally shocked into some level of normal functioning.

    https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(18)67750-6/pdf

    Note that I think stretching in this sense is the agonist actively shortening while the antagonist stretches and lengthens.

    @suchsaturation (from the old forum) had some great content on this very subject.

    " The organism is a multi-way system. A muscle cell can use ATP to cause a contraction, and it can use a stretch to create ATP. The stretching and pulling as well as the ATP are a structural part of the essence of the cell, they aren't just fuel and effect.

    When the cell runs out of energy, it takes on a shrunken, contracted form, which on a large scale looks like a cramped muscle. The normal state of the cell is energized and ready to contract if needs be, but not contracted. It can do it if it needs to do it. Its normal state is instead much more relaxed.

    If it is asked to contract more than its energetic potential permits, it not only cannot return to the relaxed state (it isn't that it needs the energy to return there, the issue is that energy is an integral part of that energized state and you can't be in that state without the energy that is part of it), but takes on a disorganized, spastic contracted state which will turn out to be anything from a cramped muscle to an epileptic seizure.

    Stretching will provide a form of energy that will take on the shape of order in the cell, like the gluten in dough when you stretch it, and atoms in the steel when you fold it. The ATP molecule is just a tool to store even more of this energy. Physical changes in the shape of ATP can provide twice the energy than the more well known chemical breakdown of ATP.

    When your muscle is cramping, it has been asked to do something that it has not enough energy to do.

    When you stretch the muscle, you are basically having all the other muscles chip in a little bit of their ATP to pull the cramped muscle out of spasm. It is a system of redistribution of energy that works through outside channels, it has to go through your conscious decision to stretch and it has to go through the outside of your body, for example from your arm to your cramped leg when you go to push against it during the stretching exercise. It operates on a higher level than the normal internal ways in which a muscle re-energizes itself."

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      NangaParbat @thebodyelectric_
      last edited by Mar 1, 2024, 9:31 PM

      @thebodyelectric_

      I find this very intriguing, in the early 20th century it was believed among physiologist, and written in quite a few reference volumes and encyclopedias, that the medicine of the future would be entirely electrical. When it came to light that you could stress tissue using electricity without damaging it (contrary to say stressing it with heat or chemical agents), it was believed that a whole new paradigm of medicine had been discovered. Yet here we are, a century and change later, and medicine is still to an almost exclusive extent organised around chemical agents.

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        brad @NangaParbat
        last edited by Mar 2, 2024, 1:06 AM

        @NangaParbat @thebodyelectric_ There was a technology, perhaps inspired by Tesla, called the Violet Ray, that people used to electrically treat maladies. There’s a small cottage industry of people buying and restoring antique devices. There’s also an interesting book called Bioelectromagnetic Healing: A Rationale for its Use by Tom Valone (who is perhaps the leading Tesla scholar), that discusses this subject at length. And then finally there is the Rife Machine, which could allegedly cure cancer or destroy bacteria by sending electrical pulses at specific frequencies. If people are interested I can expand on any of these topics.

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          JulofEnoch @brad
          last edited by Mar 2, 2024, 6:52 AM

          @brad

          Have you heard of Violet Wands? They are Violet Ray technology but they are sold as a sex toy for stimulation. There are high frequency variants up to 500khz at 25-30kv output- equivalent to some Violet Rays. The wands are pretty cool and you can definitely feel the energy.

          Greift nur hinein ins volle Menschenleben! Ein jeder lebt's, nicht vielen ist's bekannt, und wo ihr's packt, da ist's interessant.

          Ray Peat first-ever interview(July 1987 on UofO Student Radio)

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            NangaParbat @brad
            last edited by Mar 3, 2024, 3:51 PM

            @brad said in Concentric exercise and "bio-electric" direct current:

            Bioelectromagnetic Healing: A Rationale for its Use by Tom Valone

            I'll check it out, thanks

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              brad @JulofEnoch
              last edited by Mar 3, 2024, 6:08 PM

              @JulofEnoch I've heard of them, I'm not sure how they compare with the ones that were prominent in the beginning of the 1900s.

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