Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER
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Caffeine can interfere with the absorption of calcium. High caffeine intake has been associated with increased urinary calcium excretion.
mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/1….Caffeine consumption can affect hormonal regulation, including the secretion of growth hormone and (IGF-1). Some studies suggest that caffeine may inhibit the activity of IGF-1.
https://t.co/NUatBHnyrdEpidemiological studies have found associations between high caffeine intake and decreased bone mineral density (BMD).
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P….Caffeine exposure during critical periods of fetal development may interfere with bone formation processes, leading to skeletal growth retardation.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P….Caffeine exposure can inhibit the expression of genes involved in chondrogenesis (cartilage formation) and bone formation. This inhibition may disrupt the normal process of endochondral ossification, which is critical for skeletal growth and development.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.12530https://x.com/heightoptimized/status/1774690564182827499?s=46
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@HeightOptimized no one cares bye
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@CO3 you cared enough to reply!!!
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Most of the links you posted are broken, and even from the captions don't seem relevant.
From this study:
Low calcium intake is clearly linked to skeletal fragility, and it is likely that a high caffeine intake is often a marker for a low calcium intake. The negative effect of caffeine on calcium absorption is small enough to be fully offset by as little as 1-2 tablespoons of milkOther studies which I think you have linked (I can't know because you didn't copy paste correctly) seem to use intravenous caffeine rather than oral intake. I'm not sure it's safe to bypass the liver like that.
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@izkrov all of it is obviously stupid. no point in engaging a vain idiot like this. just ignore.
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@izkrov sorry for the links, my mistake.
All of the links were related to the studies.
The study you cited I read, but in other studies it displays calcium decreases with coffee consumption.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33852164/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4475355/pdf/joa0227-0010.pdf
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@CO3 relax I made a post when I just woke up it’s not that serious.
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@HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:
The study you cited I read, but in other studies it displays calcium decreases
HE AGREED WITH YOU ON THIS POINT. READ AGAIN. READ IT CAREFULLY: SOUND OUT THE SYLLABLES IF NEED BE
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@HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-56#:~:text=Current evidence however relate caffeine,reducing intestinal calcium absorption efficiency.
This article cites the exact same author from the study I linked -- R P Heaney. He himself said there's really not that much of an effect on calcium absorption, saying "Current evidence relates caffeine to reducing calcium absorption efficiency" is just outright wrong, or misses the fact that very small amounts of calcium intake can offset the negatives.
Estradiol levels in the controls were relatively consistent, without age variation (Fig.(Fig.6b).6b). However, caffeine-fed rats exhibited a significantly higher E2 level after 2 weeks of caffeine exposure compared with the controls (P < 0.01 vs. CT). After 4 weeks of caffeine exposure, E2 levels in the caffeine-fed groups were profoundly decreased compared with those measured at 2 weeks, and even lower than for the controls. In addition, total T4 levels of serum samples obtained after 4 weeks of caffeine exposure only were measured, due to a shortage of 2-week serum samples (Fig.(Fig.6c).6c). Caffeine-fed groups showed significantly reduced levels of T4 compared with the controls (P < 0.05 vs. CT), no difference was observed between the caffeine-fed groups.
This study I think shows decently what's going on. High caffeine intake relative to calcium intake (they simply didn't give them calcium) is stressful in nature, hence the estrogen increase. Caffeine helps convert T4 to T3 in the liver, but without the increase in nutrients to meet the metabolic demands the only thing the cells can do is divide. Eventually though there's a stabilizing effect
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@CO3 you’re the dumb one here reread what he said. I would beat you up in a fight.
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@izkrov I agree with the first point, although my statements stand true. Missing crucial development times, hormones aren't always increased at the same level.
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@HeightOptimized I don't understand.
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@HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:
@CO3 you’re the dumb one here reread what he said. I would beat you up in a fight.
Yeah sure. I'd hold you back by your head while you try to swing at me with your short little arms
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so much talk of growing taller but for what... to 'mog' others lolol so lame
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@CO3 I have a 6’7 wingspan, please don’t be mean to me. How was your day?
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@questforhealth there’s a ton of reasons for someone to want to grow taller!
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@HeightOptimized of course, just some people take it the completely wrong way tbh...
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@questforhealth yeah of course
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While not the best for growing taller
wouldn't it be good once most of the physical development is complete
as it'd antagonize the excess unhealthy type growth factor/hormone induced growth Ray Peat talked of that rises in association with negative conditions?
a more insulin-ergic stimulatory type eating/lifestyle during earlier life and then at around 35 once most development is done a more anti-aging longevity type one
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luckily I started drinking coffee only after I had already been done growing to 6"2 and hadn't grown much by that point
I like coffee for it's mental pro-metabolic benefits and the CO2 production anti-inflammatory actions
makes me feel more energized,, creative even erections get better
combine with sugar and baking soda maybe put in Creatine or Collagen as I have done
and it synchronizes the effects
