Meaning of digital culture?
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
The premise that analog devices cannot be censored by authoritarian forces is unclear.
Is it? Maybe you are one. With "internet" access included. Maybe your mere existence is counterbalance to the temporarily inhumane. Moreso if you're strategically and performatively gobby.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
The digital infrastructure has no way to differentiate incorrect information from truth.
Of course it's just a medium. Many will accept a source or two as being grounded in it for trauma, lack of energy, or no encroachment requiring them to pay attention. And to be fair it is a little exhausting. The amount of bullshit I've had to hear and see simply to weed it out as it encroached on my life was never pleasant. Even less pleasant is coming to understand who probably knows they're lying and why they're probably doing it. It was easy and entertaining to hate them, harder to understand they're deluded, need help and live with that. For now.
"The greatest bull**** detector in the realm is sitting somewhere in the gut-(-heart-)brain axis of every man, woman and child on earth. It probably needs energy, context and time to work properly, and weather a shock or two."
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
most humans are chained by culture so much that there is little chance of any change.
Depends on the change in my opinion. A simple one to something fundamentally required for the devious propagation of bullshit and establishment of disorder is absolutely possible. The conversation is on the ether right now. I wonder where that came from.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Ray said that it'd take a catastrophic event for real change to happen. I thought corona was that but now it's clear that it was a nothingburger engineered for now unknown purpose.
Corporatists trying to consolidate their holding with a side of techno marxism. And a steiner-esque potion to disorient the bullshit detector. Maybe, just musing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJkagesk_P8 (Better resets and reforms are available.)
It's quite possible the catastrophic events already happened. Life and discourse seem a little glitchy, don't you think. A lot of people are adrift.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Do you think the status quo will continue for another 50 years or radical change is on the horizon (less than 5 years) ?
Neither. It will be beautifully boring. Minus the wojak tears of daydreamers.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Ray's answer is cliché and not consistent with reality of artificial intelligence, for example. People don't need to reject it at all, as it simply doesn't work. Programming is a boring endeavor and made artificially complicated by committees and corporations, as well as a system of intellectual property. The demand for IT workers is very small and most IT products are useless. The layoffs are caused by this fact not by AI. You can see how digital solutions don't solve the problems they claim to solve. The internet was supposed to be a free library, now it's a censored circlejerk. Bitcoin was supposed to be electronic cash, now it's a digital collectable. VR doesn't work because there's no movement immersion. That being said, human interaction is still valued and there's nothing stopping us from using the internet to facilitate human conversations.
That was highly amusing, thank you.
But Ray's answer was in a developmental context. A child won't reject something that doesn't work unless they understand that it doesn't. And most products are useless, never mind IT.
I agree about the conversations. That's what I remain 'online' for.
Also shitcoin had to appear 'valuable' to summon a development effort. Now the code is there, Joe Public is holding the bag and a lot of people are carrying 'smart'phones whose 'platform' 'integrity' can be 'attested' to.
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@ThinPicking thank you too. I was a bit moody when I joined the forum, so I was afraid of immediate disenchantment, but the vibe is of a renaissance of the pre reddit era.
developmental context
I ponder if some kids will naturally get bored of digital tech and move on. Vinyl is having a revival. I also see many boomers using Apple Pay and being glued to their phones too.
'smart'phones
Most use it as a combo of a pager and a TV. I use it mostly as a reader and radio, but hard to ditch the pager part, even if most online conversations are frustratingly meaningless and toxic.
most products are useless
Yes, but with physical ones there's a possibility of turning them into something else. Fidget spinner buttplug makes a funny door knob.
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@ThinPicking what do you mean by ether? I assume it's the over unity and cold fusion crowd. I'm quite cautious of them, though they're interesting to keep an eye on. Definitely nothing happening with Ethereum, and diethyl ether is too niche to become a meme.
Corporatists trying to consolidate their holding with a side of techno marxism. And a steiner-esque potion to disorient the bullshit detector.
Aren't they supposed to have all the power they need going back a whole century or maybe all civilization timeframe? I don't see how more bullshit will prevent anyone from not believing in bullshit.
Steiner and secret society crowd are right about truth. Peat and PUFA is a great example. 50 years of explaining, and most are still unaware. We don't need to be lame and wear stupid robes though to find out the info. The secret is just buried by industrial amounts of corporate gospel. Usually people split into 2 camps, one is bootlicking, the other chooses a different type of dogma. Flat earth vs NASA, vegans vs carnivore, techno Marxist vs preppers.
It's quite possible the catastrophic events already happened.
The vast majority of humans are systemically ill. Not an event, slow crawl. In the past, the peasants would revolt sometimes. Revolting is more dangerous (and more fun) than simply not participating.
I asked about 50 years also because of Thiel, Tyler Cowen, George Hotz, Rory Sutherland from the tech cult raising concerns about stagnation. Similar timeframe compared to PUFA.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Steiner and secret society crowd are right about truth. Peat and PUFA is a great example. 50 years of explaining, and most are still unaware. We don't need to be lame and wear stupid robes though to find out the info. The secret is just buried by industrial amounts of corporate gospel. Usually people split into 2 camps, one is bootlicking, the other chooses a different type of dogma. Flat earth vs NASA, vegans vs carnivore, techno Marxist vs preppers.
I'm listening to his lectures on the 4 books of the gospel. It is fascinating like no other. It made me open up to a different reality that is very separate from our material and very reductionist orientation, which is the product of modern society and culture and highly "advanced" education.
But I was a lifelong Catholic, and the last straw of doubt was in how the Church and the Pope played a key role in disseminating falsehood with the COVID hoarding. This accelerated my thirst for truth and in finding answers, seeing now how much of the truth is not in the church I was born into, nor even the other Christian churches. The truth lies elsewhere.
Reading Steiner would help in unpacking some truths I seek. Ray's truth is better than the medical establishments truth, and I hope Steiner's truth would be better than the religious establishments truth.
We would need our brain to keep developing, aided by the surplus energy of full mitochondrial respiration, to power our search for being enlightened with truth. Even though the brain is but a small part of capturing divine inspiration.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
I ponder if some kids will naturally get bored of digital tech and move on. Vinyl is having a revival. I also see many boomers using Apple Pay and being glued to their phones too.
There's definitely a borderline spooky propensity for them to get very wise to it very quickly. It's probably not a good idea to keep levying corporate experiments on and decapitalising them. That's probably not going to end well. And I really don't think they need a carbon budget on a screen to know abject materialism is somewhat 'unsustainable' (vinyl or other SME art products are not that). They probably just don't want to live by rules that let anyone else defer the consequences of theirs and seek rent without a return of equity.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
what do you mean by ether?
I meant that it's on the wind, the same place I got it. I can find people discussing the nature of commerce and monopolisation online. And being more open to discussing it in person.
In my socioscientific life, I've never seen anything quite like it. I don't think theatrical shock and awe could stop it either. And this is a lot more constructive and useful than a finger wagging protest.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Aren't they supposed to have all the power they need going back a whole century or maybe all civilization timeframe? I don't see how more bullshit will prevent anyone from not believing in bullshit.
Maybe they can't hold it in place, distorted to the extent it is, without lies or authoritarian imposition. And maybe you're right. Which may be why we came quite close to scanning QR codes to buy bubble gum, and the bullshit wouldn't stick.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
Steiner and secret society crowd are right about truth. Peat and PUFA is a great example. 50 years of explaining, and most are still unaware. We don't need to be lame and wear stupid robes though to find out the info.
I agree. Although aspects of my own walk are definitely ritualistic. They don't involve robes and not codifying them.
"Tell me a lie in a beautiful way, I believe in answers just not today"
I still don't find it particularly unreasonable for people to be hitting the snooze button on their alarm clocks. As long as some are getting out of bed. And more than ever are on their feet.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
The vast majority of humans are systemically ill. Not an event, slow crawl.
I'm not going to call it a majority but sure. Some people are dying faster than others. And almost nothing could arrest it. Try as they might to slow it down, without getting to the heart of their ailment.
@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
the tech cult raising concerns about stagnation
Well, they did it. If you distort the supply and velocity of money, and try to divert the interests of people. They're going to peacefully say fuck you at some point.
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@yerrag I haven't read Steiner's books. They're more up to date and less dogmatic than Abrahamic literature. Careful with false dichotomies. Materialism and reductionism are very useful for fixing machines, but fail miserably with living cells. Blindly opposing a mindset or a technique removes your ability to see other worlds. I am not very interested in what's divine. It's a mostly meaningless word for me. I often catch myself asking gods to help me, but realize how lame it is to be a beggar, so I just ask for a sign when I'm in a state of panic and severe stress. Sometimes the response is undeniable and swift (I saw weird spooky lights on a hike, but it turned out to be just the moon obstructed by vegetation). I thought I was gonna see aliens but the rigid forces of reason returned me back into the matrix. Ultimately the willpower, openness to accept good messages will machete a path through the jungle.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
I often catch myself asking gods to help me, but realize how lame it is to be a beggar, so I just ask for a sign when I'm in a state of panic and severe stress. Sometimes the response is undeniable and swift (I saw weird spooky lights on a hike, but it turned out to be just the moon obstructed by vegetation). I thought I was gonna see aliens but the rigid forces of reason returned me back into the matrix. Ultimately the willpower, openness to accept good messages will machete a path through the jungle.
******* great.
And I can attest. It's real.
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@ThinPicking if a process exists it is sustainable. Industrial calculation driven mindset worships long term planning, but it never works in practice.
I was really mindblown by the Internet media for years. Free movies from the pirate bay and memes on imageboards, calling friends on Skype, checking cool links, small blogs where you could post your address and no one would care, YouTube in super low res with a guy next door uploading a silly joke using a shitty camera. Looking at it now, it's absolutely unimpressive, but golden age compared to what we have now: a chatbot that can't say nigger, and everyone is afraid of spying and doxxing. I watch maybe 2 movies per year now, use YT to download Peat radio shows.
My best explanation for corona and stagnation is lack of growth in the fuel supply to feed the Leviathan. But that's impossible to verify as stats like reserves and population numbers are manipulated.
I'm not going to call it a majority but sure
2/3 humans in North America are overweight or obese, metabolically ill. You mean it's too mild for big change?
I still don't find it particularly unreasonable for people to be hitting the snooze button on their alarm clocks. As long as some are getting out of bed. And more than ever are on their feet.
I don't put my effort into convincing them. They like being raped as long as they don't get killed. They actually prefer it this way. Funny thing is I talked to esoteric folk about physiology, and they just say I'm an atheist and that kinda stuff is boring. I still wanna "share"/"publish" a few things but struggle to motivate myself to make my findings more discoverable and marketable.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
@yerrag I haven't read Steiner's books. They're more up to date and less dogmatic than Abrahamic literature. Careful with false dichotomies. Materialism and reductionism are very useful for fixing machines, but fail miserably with living cells. Blindly opposing a mindset or a technique removes your ability to see other worlds. I am not very interested in what's divine. It's a mostly meaningless word for me. I often catch myself asking gods to help me, but realize how lame it is to be a beggar, so I just ask for a sign when I'm in a state of panic and severe stress. Sometimes the response is undeniable and swift (I saw weird spooky lights on a hike, but it turned out to be just the moon obstructed by vegetation). I thought I was gonna see aliens but the rigid forces of reason returned me back into the matrix. Ultimately the willpower, openness to accept good messages will machete a path through the jungle.
We're undeniably born into a world of material reductionists, and can't help but be one. It would just be like being born into a world of sugar being evil, only to slowly accepting it as good. But you have to be exposed, and to think about the other side of it, to suspend judgment, or revise your conviction, in order to widen your horizon.
I am tempted to kidnap you, and subject you to audio lectures of Steiner, and when you are released, you may wish to be kept longer in captivity.
Ray often writes in passing about the active field of life and how that idea is rejected by material reductionists, but that idea is valid and exploring more into it is not something I would consider out of my scope.
After all, when we talk about digital culture, it is very much about how information is put together and repackaged for dissemination into our minds. As to whether the digital intermediation makes us all the more enlightened and capable makes me question whether the material limitation of our exposure to ideas is enough. What we don't know enough of is not reason for rejection. Truths remain whether we know of them or not.
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@yerrag I'm already in captivity called civilization. You're gonna give me food and shelter and I get to listen to a podcast? What's the catch? Haha
I don't understand what you mean by active field. I'm more interested in how the material substance affects the mind and spirit. Hormones are a great example of that. Why make a big distinction between physical and spiritual when the intersection of them is the real deal. To me, obsessing over the divine or non material is similar dogmatism as digital tech censorship.
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
I don't understand what you mean by active field
Like an active field like the absence of a cell membrane. What separates a cell from its surroundings isn't physical, but a field of energy composed of structured water an positive ions of potassium.
This refutes the idea of a physical barrier that requires the creation of pumps such ad sodium pumps to overcome the physical barrier.
This isn't spiritual in any way, but an example of how a force field is actualized. That field is active and all the more present in a healthy body.
You would deny the spirit realm a hand in active fields as a certainty out of your active rejection of its possibility as an avowed materialist, but I wouldn't.
Forgive me if I should consider you such. But why do you mention Steiner as he is your antithesis?
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@yerrag I mentioned him because I brought up Steiner schools previously. I simply don't like imagining spirit realms. I can also imagine having wings and flying that way, or I can get an airplane ticket. Musk imagines going to Mars, but can't implement it. You can't show me your spirit realms. All you can do is teach me how to imagine them and be impressed.
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Like you I haven't any experience with the spirit realm. But I'm just more open to accepting that realm exists. It's your call as it is my call.
I am just as likely to find the concept of insulin sensitivity to be a red herring as I deem you less likely to take that position. But I could be mistaken.
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@yerrag sure it exists. Some call ayahuasca / DMT the door to it. Steiner used mescaline iirc. Those are materials to see the spiritual realms. Not my thing personally, it gets old pretty quickly and it's too chaotic. Meditation can get you there too, but success rate is low.
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It can get chaotic.
Would I want to have a third eye? No. As you said, it could get chaotic. But would I like to be inspired? Yes, but I wouldn't know it anyway if I should become more inspired. I would probably call it the fruit of having a high metabolism that leaves me with a lot of extra energy to develop my brain.
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@yerrag I miss inspiration because most people are too traumatized and tired to exit the culture. I should be thankful that it's possible at all to discuss this topic, as you'll be seen as a total crank by the masses. Obsession with the spirit realm and psychedelics didn't work after decades. Joe Rogan still believes that sugar is bad, DMT doesn't convey sufficient guidance. Steiner schools are very rare after 100 years. There are countless other hoaxes less important than nutrition.
Now you saw behind the curtain, what's next?
As for spiritual experiences, mine were very interesting. In one I completely lost awareness of time and body and lived in a world of rapid moving lights with its own logic and culture. Becoming human again felt disorienting at first, but the standard vibrations eventually cemented. And now I'm happier to be in the physical world as a human.
If you're eager to explore the spirit realms, the digital infrastructure is very useful
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@psi said in Meaning of digital culture?:
If you're eager to explore the spirit realms, the digital infrastructure is very useful
I fail to see that. Care to explain?
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@yerrag in Steiner's time, all they knew was the cactus. Nowadays there's 100 documented plants readily available using the Internet. After you're done listening to his lectures, you can purchase the plants, or even find them locally. You can then have a similar experience as those occult circles did 100 years ago. My theory is that the cactus was only available in that scene back then, and that's why Steiner was spending time socializing with those folks.
Aldous Huxley wrote the doors of perception which is similar message to knowledge of the spirit realms. Both were inspired by the cactus.
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Is that your spoiler alert lol? I have to go through tons of his lectures. So far they've been interesting listens. But it sure seems to encompass more than just cacti.
