Is the modern rise in religion a cope for learned helplessness?
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@Sugar I try not to pay too much attention to the outrage engine ("the media"), but I prefer to read books from great men in great eras. To me, it is clear that a vital metabolism coincides with fiery faith.
There is too much nuance here for this one paragraph to be sufficient, but I will summarize for the sake of brevity anyway. Christianity is so unpopular these days that it could not even field an Inquisition. Nor could Christians tear down Pagan temples, of which there are many, without a tremendous popular uprising. Taking the whole historical picture into account, it is clear, to me, that the faith you have a grievance with is not on the ascent when compared to the past.
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@Sugar I agree with this. Coming from a Catholic background, I am the same as Bowden:
"I’m not a Christian. And I never was. Although I went to a Catholic school, and they educated me very well. And almost every book in that library was by a dead White European male. And almost everything the one learnt culturally — from the rather gory sort of Grünewald-type crucifixion as you went in, to the Dali on the wall, the reverse crucifixion scene, in reverse perspective from above, that was next to the assembly point, and to everything else — everything was European. And that’s why people become Catholics."
Christianity is a dying religion, and the few left that don't lack willpower or propensity to reject these programmed systems of thought realize the subservient morality it holds — why it's attractive to parents and political leaders.
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@The-New-Sun Exactly. Christians are also very self centered in thinking they are the only ones being subverted. They want to disenfranchise the entire world, especially the West, and again it is written in their text to do nothing and obey your masters. It is also universalist garbage that tells you to make this religion your entire life and put it above everything. To rely on Jesus, the messiah to spread the Torah to the gentiles, over your own reasoning. Definitely worth checking out Adam Green's videos on this topic on Odysee and Bitchute.
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@The-New-Sun Its quite ridiculous to "pragmatically" analyze Catholicism from a "objective POV" without accepting its claims about metaphysics, the fall, demonic warfare, sin, etc. The crucifix makes little sense if you dont acknowledge the truth of these in the first place.
However, if you simply want to analyze Catholicism from its cultural point of view, that it'd still be easy to prove the absolute glory and ascendance of Catholic civilizations, economies, architecture, family structure, conquest, evangelization, etc.
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@Sugar Again your analyzing things like "obey your masters" as if its something you can simply "objectively" judge pragmatically. This fact has to do with the basis of the truth of right and wrong in divine revelation, and the trust in God's providence. If you dont acknowledge these from your "objective" POV, then it'll make little sense to you why someone would come to the conclusion that it is better to honor those who have authority over you.
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@dan-saintdominic
You should replace the word “Catholic” with “European” in that last paragraph about the cultural glory you speak of.
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@The-New-Sun Catholic culture was European, and European culture was Catholic (at least until Reformation)
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High dopamine allows you to pray/manifest with ease. High serotonin keeps you in hell. Religion tries to reverse engineer a high dopamine state through serotonin so it never really works.
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@gugenmungus
I guarantee I have spent more time on this than you. I was raised Catholic, I’ve been practicing the sacraments since birth and I am telling you this is a waste of your time. ReconsiderStudies in the last 6 months:
Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s ‘Credo’
Joshua Charles ‘Persecuted From Within’
St. Augustine’s ‘Confessions’
Parts of Summa Theologiae
The entirety of the N.T, in KJV, Douay-Rheims, Knox and the Spaniard translation based on Vulgate
Codice Ratzinger;Cionci’s thesis
About 10 lectures of Northrop Frye’s course on The Bible and English LiteratureI have spent hours listening to debates between Orthodox, Trad-Cath, Sedevacantist, SSPX and benepapists perspectives.
I have argued countless times with Orthodox adherents about Palamas and his writings.
The more I read, the more I studied, the more pathetic all of it seemed, I went to Orthodox mass, Christian churches, spoke at length in debates with old WASP parents from a friend of mine. I went to Catholic and Traditional Catholic mass.
I reached a big ‘eye-opening’ event recently and I am taking a step back and changing what I am studying, going into Neo-fascinating and pagan school of thought right now.
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@Sugar It might be the other end of the spectrum of learned helplessness— I’m of the belief that modern clinical depression is learned helplessness which is the generally accepted lefty consensus. But it would make perfect sense that on the right you reject a hypothesis and come up with your own, one of surrendering to God as a form learned helplessness.
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@The-New-Sun Except all of the great conquerors and explorers like Colombus and Cortes were driven by their catholic faith, the architecture was driven by the Catholic faith, the education was driven by monasteries. The backbone of society all involved these forces.
Now look at what you have after you take Catholicism out of Europe: nihilism, piss ferility rates, lazy architecture and music. There you have your experiment in the past 60+ years of what is happening to Europe. Meanwhile the Pope is one of the only leaders in Europe who is sounding the alarm bells about the horrible fertility crisis. Why arent the Europeans doing what hes doing to bring awareness to this if you simply credit Europe?
Ill add though that Europe is an amazing motherland and accepted the Fertilization of the gospel. It was and in many ways still is its backbone of the church. This isnt to denegrade Europe, rather to put it in its rightful place.
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@dan-saintdominic
Religiosity is a naturally organic feeling which arises from interacting with other humans and nature. This has existed for thousands of years. Christianity is dying and no amount of attempts by Catholics, Protestants or any of the Abrahamic sects is going to save it. The world has access to too much information and is incredibly more educated than even 100 years ago.Using the argument of moral decline in the west without addressing the obvious orchestration of it by kikes showcases your ignorance.
Why did Oliver Cromwell re-settle the Jews in 1650 after they were expelled from England by Charles I in 1290? It was to bolster his economic and political efforts for Britain, to promote religious tolerance in line with his aim to bring into England a great age of learning. You believe that we are better off when a few European geniuses built masterful cathedrals and painted magnificent pictures while the majority of the population at the time was positively illiterate and of lower cognitive function than the individuals we have today.
All of the moral problems in Western Europe today would be culled by the mass expulsion of its non native invasive subspecies of hominids that roam its streets screaming with sexual and criminal intent.
The path forward is that of the secular intellectual, you Christians will always attempt to bring the true intelligent down to your pathetic and subservient moral framework. This is why Christianity is dying in Europe, the educated and intelligent, full-blooded Europeans refuse to participate.
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@RapeEnjoyer what a name, god damn
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@Sugar You are way off base. There is no modern rise in religion. In fact, the opposite.
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@Sugar Religion has existed for way longer than the current conditions which are causing learned helplessness. We've been doing rituals for as long as we've been people. Girard talks about this.
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@The-New-Sun Spell this one out for me. You give all the credit for the massive advancements in life quality from 500-1950 in Europe after the proliferation of Catholicism to a vague concept of racialism. While at the same time you’re trying to convince that Catholicism is a destructive force. It’s beyond illlgical to think that at the same exact time period Catholicism had its golden age in Europe (which you’re portraying as poisonous) is just coincidentally the time that Europe rapidly expanded. Coincidentally at the same time Catholic Monarchies conquered and evangelized a whole hemisphere (it was just the race though right? It’s not like the Spanish Reconquista was primarily driven by Catholic identitarianism right?) Then, coincidentally, when Catholicism is abandoned in the early 1900s, coincidentally morals decline, family ties decline, fertility rates decline. And in all this you seem to think you’re against certain Zionist influences? When you’re walking hand in hand with their hatred of Catholicism which they’ve had for ages. And yet you still don’t see how the immigration is driven by low birth rates (a direct denial of Catholic social teaching on the prohibition of contraception), therefore leaving jobs open to be filled by cheap labor. Now Europe is importing immigrants from all the countries that still ah e some semblance of faith in God, while Europes fertility rates fall into obscurity. Do yourself a favor and look when the Turkish German worker program started that brought all the Turks to Germany. Now look at the fertility rates leading up to it. Now look when birth control was invented. Now see the Catholic teaching on contraception. Your own excuse for why Europe is suffering is proven to be from a neglection of Catholicism.
If you introduce a poison into an area, at the bare minimum you’d expect to see some sort of decline. Not online did Europe not see a decline, it blossomed in a perfect symphony as Catholicism brought forth it in glory.
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@dan-saintdominic
Every single response you just gave stems from misunderstanding of my points above. I refuse to keep framing everything under the scope of Abrahamic religion, the world does not revolve around Christianity and it never will. You can continue to believe your glorified view of how Catholicism has been the driving force of development in W. Europe for the rest of your life, maybe it will make it more tolerable for you. -
@The-New-Sun I’ll just keep it at what you said then. You claim that the problems in Europe are due to third world immigration. The most famous of these mass migrations is from turkey to Germany due to a workers program from a shortage of cheap labor. This program peaked exactly when Contraception became widespread in Germany. Contraception is forbidden in Catholic social teaching. So your own reason for why Europe is suffering, whether I agree with it or not, is directly solved by Catholic social teaching.
