TMJ (temporomandibular) disorder and teeth grinding
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@PrinceMyshkin Thanks so much for letting me know! I'm so glad that she is already seeing some relief. Keep it up and watch for improvement in other symptoms.
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@PrinceMyshkin She may want to consider taking some magnesium also as it gets used in the process that thiamine is used in. I take magnesium glycinate that I get from bulksupplements.com.
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Just wanted to add my experience. Have been taking high dose B1 for TMJ on my right side and some associated muscle/nerve issues with my right eye and it's been working. Still have some jaw popping every once in a while (I think due to poor sleep posture, which aggravates the mechanical aspect of TMJ), but I can now go long periods of the day where I don't notice my jaw or my right eyelid struggling to stay open.
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@cookielemons dose and type of b1?
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@sunsunsun HCl, 1g twice a day. Will titrate down soon.
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@cookielemons Did thiamine help with pain only or did it also reduce the actual clicking/popping?
I have consistent jaw clicking and popping, but no pain (fortunately). I'm curious whether thiamine would potentially be of benefit to reduce my clicking and popping.
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@jjk_learning Yeah, it definitely helps calm down the jaw clicking. I'm not really in pain either. It's just that my jaw won't open and close smoothly and evenly on both sides. And it seems to be related to my eye issue, which has ironically been giving me trouble again this week.
The issue with TMJ is also mechanical, meaning that the jaw is misaligned in some way. B1 won't do anything for that, I don't think, if it's serious enough. You'd need to do mewing or some kinds of consistent stretching.
Another thing I've determined that makes it worse is caffeine and high histamine foods. Try removing caffeine and histamine liberators and mast cell activators.
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One more thing. High dose K2 may exacerbate TMJ. There's at least one user on the old forum who reported TMJ symptoms after high dose K2.
K2 is known to fuel jaw growth and widen the face. So if this is happening faster than your bones and tendons can adapt, you'll likely get TMJ.
Edit: I'm also wondering about the high dose D3. Grok seems to think it, and not the K, is what's aggravating my eye and TMJ.
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I had no idea about TTFD. Thanks for the tip to use the HCL version. Maybe that's why I did not notice any benefit from TTFD.
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@cookielemons That is very interesting. Same for me (jaw doesn't seem to close smoothly and evenly).
Given that TMJ is largely mechanical, what do you think is the mechanism behind thiamine reducing clicking and popping? Does the thiamine dose help restore something to equilibrium and/or calm your jaw from overactivity/clenching/grinding?
Also, very interesting on caffeine and high histamine foods impacting your TMJ. I am a couple weeks into no-caffeine myself. I do eat several foods from a "high histamine foods" list found via Web search.
I hope you continue seeing benefits from thiamine!
