TMJ (temporomandibular) disorder and teeth grinding
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Just wanted to add my experience. Have been taking high dose B1 for TMJ on my right side and some associated muscle/nerve issues with my right eye and it's been working. Still have some jaw popping every once in a while (I think due to poor sleep posture, which aggravates the mechanical aspect of TMJ), but I can now go long periods of the day where I don't notice my jaw or my right eyelid struggling to stay open.
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@cookielemons dose and type of b1?
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@sunsunsun HCl, 1g twice a day. Will titrate down soon.
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@cookielemons Did thiamine help with pain only or did it also reduce the actual clicking/popping?
I have consistent jaw clicking and popping, but no pain (fortunately). I'm curious whether thiamine would potentially be of benefit to reduce my clicking and popping.
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@jjk_learning Yeah, it definitely helps calm down the jaw clicking. I'm not really in pain either. It's just that my jaw won't open and close smoothly and evenly on both sides. And it seems to be related to my eye issue, which has ironically been giving me trouble again this week.
The issue with TMJ is also mechanical, meaning that the jaw is misaligned in some way. B1 won't do anything for that, I don't think, if it's serious enough. You'd need to do mewing or some kinds of consistent stretching.
Another thing I've determined that makes it worse is caffeine and high histamine foods. Try removing caffeine and histamine liberators and mast cell activators.
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One more thing. High dose K2 may exacerbate TMJ. There's at least one user on the old forum who reported TMJ symptoms after high dose K2.
K2 is known to fuel jaw growth and widen the face. So if this is happening faster than your bones and tendons can adapt, you'll likely get TMJ.
Edit: I'm also wondering about the high dose D3. Grok seems to think it, and not the K, is what's aggravating my eye and TMJ.
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I had no idea about TTFD. Thanks for the tip to use the HCL version. Maybe that's why I did not notice any benefit from TTFD.
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@cookielemons That is very interesting. Same for me (jaw doesn't seem to close smoothly and evenly).
Given that TMJ is largely mechanical, what do you think is the mechanism behind thiamine reducing clicking and popping? Does the thiamine dose help restore something to equilibrium and/or calm your jaw from overactivity/clenching/grinding?
Also, very interesting on caffeine and high histamine foods impacting your TMJ. I am a couple weeks into no-caffeine myself. I do eat several foods from a "high histamine foods" list found via Web search.
I hope you continue seeing benefits from thiamine!
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While I never experienced TMJ, I did go through a phase of teeth grinding. Mine was a result of caloric deficiency leading to hypothyroid symptoms.
I was experimenting with fasting, and when I was eating I had a diet that didn't contain nearly as many calories as I thought it did. As someone with a fast metabolism, it was a recipe for disaster.Fortunately for me, its how I found Peat's work. Some of my other symptoms (the feeling of high stress hormones) lead me to the possibility that I was experiencing hypothyroidism. I did the Achilles tendon reflex test, and eventually came upon Ray.
I started tracking calories with cronometer, and increased my intake of starches in particular. It was tough at first, but I forced myself to eat more, specifically carb dense foods like rice and concentrated fruit juice. Fasting had kind of destroyed my ability to "feel" hunger so it wasn't fun eating at times.
I don't even know when the grinding stopped, but at some point I realized that when I forgot to put in my mouth guard before bed, I wasn't waking up with the edges of my teeth feeling rough anymore. Now and again if something happens and I don't eat enough, I won't feel hungry but I notice the stress horomones stirring up. If I don't correct it before bed, some grinding comes back. If I'm well fed, though, no issues ever.
