TMJ (temporomandibular) disorder and teeth grinding
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@cookielemons Did thiamine help with pain only or did it also reduce the actual clicking/popping?
I have consistent jaw clicking and popping, but no pain (fortunately). I'm curious whether thiamine would potentially be of benefit to reduce my clicking and popping.
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@jjk_learning Yeah, it definitely helps calm down the jaw clicking. I'm not really in pain either. It's just that my jaw won't open and close smoothly and evenly on both sides. And it seems to be related to my eye issue, which has ironically been giving me trouble again this week.
The issue with TMJ is also mechanical, meaning that the jaw is misaligned in some way. B1 won't do anything for that, I don't think, if it's serious enough. You'd need to do mewing or some kinds of consistent stretching.
Another thing I've determined that makes it worse is caffeine and high histamine foods. Try removing caffeine and histamine liberators and mast cell activators.
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One more thing. High dose K2 may exacerbate TMJ. There's at least one user on the old forum who reported TMJ symptoms after high dose K2.
K2 is known to fuel jaw growth and widen the face. So if this is happening faster than your bones and tendons can adapt, you'll likely get TMJ.
Edit: I'm also wondering about the high dose D3. Grok seems to think it, and not the K, is what's aggravating my eye and TMJ.
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I had no idea about TTFD. Thanks for the tip to use the HCL version. Maybe that's why I did not notice any benefit from TTFD.
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@cookielemons That is very interesting. Same for me (jaw doesn't seem to close smoothly and evenly).
Given that TMJ is largely mechanical, what do you think is the mechanism behind thiamine reducing clicking and popping? Does the thiamine dose help restore something to equilibrium and/or calm your jaw from overactivity/clenching/grinding?
Also, very interesting on caffeine and high histamine foods impacting your TMJ. I am a couple weeks into no-caffeine myself. I do eat several foods from a "high histamine foods" list found via Web search.
I hope you continue seeing benefits from thiamine!
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While I never experienced TMJ, I did go through a phase of teeth grinding. Mine was a result of caloric deficiency leading to hypothyroid symptoms.
I was experimenting with fasting, and when I was eating I had a diet that didn't contain nearly as many calories as I thought it did. As someone with a fast metabolism, it was a recipe for disaster.Fortunately for me, its how I found Peat's work. Some of my other symptoms (the feeling of high stress hormones) lead me to the possibility that I was experiencing hypothyroidism. I did the Achilles tendon reflex test, and eventually came upon Ray.
I started tracking calories with cronometer, and increased my intake of starches in particular. It was tough at first, but I forced myself to eat more, specifically carb dense foods like rice and concentrated fruit juice. Fasting had kind of destroyed my ability to "feel" hunger so it wasn't fun eating at times.
I don't even know when the grinding stopped, but at some point I realized that when I forgot to put in my mouth guard before bed, I wasn't waking up with the edges of my teeth feeling rough anymore. Now and again if something happens and I don't eat enough, I won't feel hungry but I notice the stress horomones stirring up. If I don't correct it before bed, some grinding comes back. If I'm well fed, though, no issues ever.
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Update.
TTFD, from Alinamin A, along with magnesium and reducing milk intake, basically solved my right-sided TMJ and related eye and neck issues (ptosis-like sensations, eyelid pulsating, and overactivation of the SCM and other muscles). Not gone completely, but 90% better following two major resets since the start of the new year, when my face suddenly and swiftly released tension. The first one came not long after starting Alinamin EX Plus, but the high dose B6 in it caused things to backfire I think. So now I am taking Alinamin A and recently had another reset. It looks like I was B1 and magnesium deficient. High amounts of calcium and D3 prevented magnesium supplementation from being effective, which I had been taking since last year.
The left-sided TMJ appears to be a disc displacement, and so is basically mechanical. Not sure what I can do for that yet. Collagen was my first thought.
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A couple of other things. Do not do pushups or bent over rows or exercises like that, as they will only exacerbate the problem. I've had to stick with cardio and squats so as not to aggravate my symptoms.
And try to keep your head in a chin tuck position as much as you can.
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@cookielemons alinamin is not ttfd, it is fursultiamine, and yes they are different. but whatever they both work probably. Alinamin is actually more euphoric ime
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@sunsunsun Hmm. Google is telling me they are the same. Regardless, I think it's been much more effective for me than HCl. Apparently, only TTFD/Alinamin is able to cross the blood brain barrier among forms of B1.
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@PrinceMyshkin its anatomical. U could get good cope with nutrition like magnesium. Some people its just becos of stress but other peoples its anatomical issues that cause stress. I.e not being breastfed and if ur parents gave u a pacifier or u werent able to nose breath as a kid ur jaw devlopment foes south. Also retractive orthodontics further pull ur haw into unateual positions and things get bad tmj sleep apnea etc. its all toed toghter
Search up the Reviv one mouth guard.its like 25 usd
I had one its okay for what it is. Good short term.
I have had bad tmj for 2+ years now and now I have a splint custom made for my teeth / bite
Without the splint I have a terrible underbite and none of my teeth touch. The splint further advances my lower jaw + gives me molar contact (molar contact) is important) decompressing the joint but also allows for my bite to be class 1 -
Another quick update. Just took a shower and removed a large quantity of earwax from my left ear. My left TMJ feels much better now, though not completely. I might go to an ENT in a month to get a professional ear cleaning. Even if you can hear, you could have earwax that is affecting TMJ symptoms.
