Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.
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@sphenoid In the case of Yerrag's argument, it is factually illegitimate, when he says himself that he considers people who pay their membership are morons if they do it to support Charlie, and that he has no evidence on the number of people who pay to support Charlie rather than their personal interest, that he has no evidence of the number of people who pay, no evidence of whether this allows Charlie to continue his actions on the "Ray peat" forum.
According to you, if we think that people have certain actions that are sub-optimal and/or lack intelligence, then they are morons and we can call them morons?
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@Truth Would love to hear what your idea of high energy is, exactly so we can all learn
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@Truth What are you even trying to argue or say at this point? It's obviously an opinion for anyone to think that certain behaviors from people constitute calling them morons or any other name for that matter. What else would you want us to do? Do you need peer review research papers on how they are, indeed, morons? Do we need to be able to read their minds or be able to see all of their actions before coming to such a conclusion? Once again this is about calling someone a name over the internet.
Also, who cares how many people are actually paying, whether it be one or one hundred, either way they are morons.
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@sphenoid Ok moron
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@yerrag said in Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.:
@Not_James_Bond I am surprised from the start of Charlie's plan to transition to a subscriptions based model that there are people who believed in supporting charlie in subscribing to a forum already losing membership quality. Charlie knows it. The early members that provided much of the momentum and credibility to the forum have gone save for a few that still cling to the hope that the quality may yet be infused with new quality members. If there was some remaining value to the forum, it is in the quality of its trove of posts from early years. Very little quality remains from posts in the recent past. Newbies go through the wringer of bad advices from fellow members who can only give short advice often so banal you can get simply by googling, simply defeating the role a knowledgeable forum plays in countering the filtered results in Google where the intent is to lead people down rabbit holes and wild goose chases. With no third rail existing to stop bad advice from dominating the forum. No one is able and willing enough to arrest the downtrend in quality and the increase in garbage material coming in the form of thoughtlessly opinionated advice. The forum has turned into a cesspool I would no longer recommend friends to.
And all of what I just said is before Charlie began to shout as loudly to increase the destruction in the avalanche. I feel so bad this happened, as many unwitting and impressionable and credulous people are going to get trapped in the avalanche. I believe there would still be many trusting souls out there who do not know they are on a sinking ship and do not know the concept of cutting their losses, throwing good money after bad. I know one when I see one as I have a sister just like that. And it is a lost cause. The more I explain, the more she digs in. Doing the same thing that hasn't worked in the hope it will work the next time.
The subscription model of Charlie may still work for him unfortunately. There are plenty of morons who perceive value in paying for bad advice and very few sharp people who knows how to get good advice for free. There are enough morons around to contribute to charlie's grandiose plans to build his empire.
If it was really that bad surely you would have left way before you were banned?
Dr. Peat had a superior intellect. He was also very humble and would NEVER look down on anyone simply because they do not possess his intellectual abilities. So many people on the RPF were kind and generous with their knowledge but would never look down on someone who was struggling to grasp the nuances of health information. Iāve witnessed success stories being patiently recounted, repeatedly, just to help yet another new member. Also, there were people who did not have that expertise who still went out of their way to help in their limited ways. The forum got many people through a difficult plandemic lockdown and vaccine mandates ā this once in a life time experience was traumatic for the people who lost loved ones. At a time when people were losing jobs, family members, long term friendship groups, the forum became a haven ā for a while at least. There were others who shared random news information, recipes, the humour threads, music etc. Ray Peat wasnāt just about health, he wrote about politics, art, relationships, and society in general. Many accounts of success and failures on the RPF contributed to knowledge. It takes all sorts to form a community.
It was good to see you here because many of us were worried that you may have come to an unfortunate end due to your recent health crisis. I am glad you are in good shape and in a way your continued disdain is a sign you have made a full recovery. However, itās disappointing to see that your time in the ICU has not humbled you.
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@sphenoid said in Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.:
Also, who cares how many people are actually paying, whether it be one or one hundred, either way they are morons.
Would you tell your mother or someone you like a moron because he pays the forum membership, due to the fact that he is in sub-optimal health and/or ill, and wishes to get better?
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@Truth Anyone that signs up for RPF right now and pays money for it while drinking the kool-aid amidst the recent happenings I would call them a moron, or a similar phrase that connotates the same meaning. This situation is so painfully clear that the owner is either a con man and/or insane that anyone who is paying is either in on the scam or hopelessly lost. You getting upset about this is low-energy (sub-optimal) behavior.
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@Not_James_Bond butthurt
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@Not_James_Bond Are you a Zoomer?
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@sphenoid Moron, I'm not upset, you're wrong, no empathy and disdain for sub-optimally healthy and/or sick people who want to be healthier is as low energy as it gets.
if you have empathy and you wish the best to others, you don't call them moron because they pay a membership on the forum, specifically without knowing why they do it, it's illegitimate, low energy, and people have told me they prefer not to post here due to the toxicity of some
So potentially a net negative impact of calling people morons in this context, when it will limit some people to
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@Not_James_Bond No
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@Truth Ah yes, when all else fails resort to the moral high ground, no one can touch you there. I'm also wrong for having an opinion, got it. And you're not upset but you keep calling me a moron like it will somehow affect me.
Those that are still paying money to the RPF at this point I have no empathy for. Like I've said, it is clear that the RPF is compromised either by someone who is absolutely insane or with an financial agenda. If they can't see that then they were never going to make it anyway. Sorry, if that offends anyone (not really) but there are countless corners of the internet that they can find a safe space where people won't call them names for their actions. If that scares them away from coming here then maybe they aren't the type to be meaningful contributors anyway.
You're clearly too naive to see how not everyone can be saved and that with what limited time and energy you do have not to waste on those who won't listen. Being obssessed with being empathetic for the sake of being empathetic (and hoping other people perceive you as higher) is a low-energy state.
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Anyone who gives Charlie money, I want to meet that person. I have a bridge I want to sell them. Or a great deal on my used car. In very brief summary, the low vitamin A theory is pure bullshit. Grant Genereux adopts a very restrictive diet, call it an elimination diet. He eliminated so many nutrients there is no way to determine which eliminated nutrient caused his perceived benefit. He is low on A, E, D, C, K, biotin, calcium, and probably more. Was casein the problem? It could be different for every individual. Why does he believe it is A? Elimination, restricted diets do help some people. So what? A large percentage of people posting on his forum fail on his rice, beans meat diet No foolin, they are missing many nutrients. Just call it rebound, and they continue on their delusional way.
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@sphenoid said in Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.:
@Truth Ah yes, when all else fails resort to the moral high ground, no one can touch you there. I'm also wrong for having an opinion, got it. And you're not upset but you keep calling me a moron like it will somehow affect me.
So does that mean you're upset with people who pay a forum membership considering you call them moron, moron?
Those that are still paying money to the RPF at this point I have no empathy for. Like I've said, it is clear that the RPF is compromised either by someone who is absolutely insane or with an financial agenda. If they can't see that then they were never going to make it anyway.
Some people knows Charlie's actions, and yet still want to contribute/and benefit from it as best as they Can
"Sorry, if that offends anyone (not really) but there are countless corners of the internet that they can find a safe space where people won't call them names for their actions. If that scares them away from coming here then maybe they aren't the type to be meaningful contributors anyway."
Think of others, don't think only of yourself, some people can benefit from the forum even if they don't "contribute" according to your point of view, does a person in sub-optimal health or ill need to contribute to have the legitimacy to benefit from the forum according to you?
You're clearly too naive to see how not everyone can be saved and that with what limited time and energy you do have not to waste on those who won't listen. Being obssessed with being empathetic for the sake of being empathetic (and hoping other people perceive you as higher) is a low-energy state
We can help everyone, to believe otherwise is learned helplessness and/or pessimism
Non sense, reread, I said the potential negative impact of calling these people "morons", it's not just "empathy for empathy's sake", it limits some people from participating and benefiting from the forumYou're projecting your own tendencies, I absolutely didn't say or implied that i wrote what i wrote to be perceived in a certain way, it's just the way I see it
We can end there
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@Truth You are attempting to appear as morally superior in an attempt to hopefully uplift yourself past the point of being energetically sub-optimal. High energy states permit empathy, but forced empathy does not always lead to or display a high energy state. You don't need to say anything, it is clear in your speech and your point of view.
If you truly believe absolutely everyone can be helped then you are in for a miserable life. We can provide people the opportunity to help themselves but if they refuse or ignore it there is nothing we can do.
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@sphenoid said in Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.:
@Truth You are attempting to appear as morally superior in an attempt to hopefully uplift yourself past the point of being energetically sub-optimal. High energy states permit empathy, but forced empathy does not always lead to or display a high energy state. You don't need to say anything, it is clear in your speech and your point of view.
Moron, stop projecting your own tendencies, if you dont have empathy for people who are in suboptimal health and or ill and that wish to get better, who do you have empathy for?
If you truly believe absolutely everyone can be helped then you are in for a miserable life. We can provide people the opportunity to help themselves but if they refuse or ignore it there is nothing we can do.
The very fact of thinking that we can't help everyone is partly caused by a certain degree of helplessness and/or pessimism, and accepting this idea in itself cultivates helplessness and/or pessimism
Specifically in this case, when we're talking about people in sub-optimal health and/or ill, who want to get better, and whom we can influence on social medias
Providing people with the opportunity, include to take into account the state of the people who may read the forum, their potential tendencies, and to ensure they feel that they can share their experiences and symptoms on the forum without being insulted
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@Truth Can you read? I specially said I donāt have empathy for the small group of people who still pay charlie money to fund his insanity, which is destroying public access to the resources on the RPF. I have plenty of empathy for people who want to elevate their position on the bioenergetic spectrum and do so every day. When you actually help people you realize that you canāt help everyone and trying to do so will only bring you down with them.
Your infatuation with the phrase āsub optimalā is telling of your condition. Life, by definition, will always be sub optimal, nothing you ever do will be 100% optimized. Striving for optimized perfection is chasing your tail and will drive you mad. When you accept this you then become content with the optimal imperfections of life. Until then, you will always be sub optimal.
The RPF is a sinking ship and we can help those who know itās going down and need a life boat. Those that are going down with the captain are a lost cause, better to save yourself and those that you can.
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@sphenoid said in Banned from RP forum : Can you do better than this.:
@Truth Can you read? I specially said I donāt have empathy for the small group of people who still pay charlie money to fund his insanity, which is destroying public access to the resources on the RPF. I have plenty of empathy for people who want to elevate their position on the bioenergetic spectrum and do so every day.
I read better than you, you said initially that anyone who pays a membership on the forum is a moron, regardless of their intention, read again.
How do you know how many people pay their membership to support Charlie rather than for personal gain?
Your infatuation with the phrase āsub optimalā is telling of your condition. Life, by definition, will always be sub optimal, nothing you ever do will be 100% optimized. Striving for optimized perfection is chasing your tail and will drive you mad. When you accept this you then become content with the optimal imperfections of life. Until then, you will always be sub optimal.
Projections and rambling.
The RPF is a sinking ship and we can help those who know itās going down and need a life boat. Those that are going down with the captain are a lost cause, better to save yourself and those that you can.
This is a forum, not a boat, rambling, just stop being a moron on this forum it can have a positive impact and contribute to a better environment for all, specifically people who would be disuaded to come on this forum due to the toxicity of some.
The exchange is over i suggest you stop being a moron, that's all, a good bit of -1 level projection on your part in your comments.