15yo Son on Ray Peat Protocol
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Hello everyone i am a 43 year old male and my son has constantly brought up about wanting to start peating. Therefore I brought him for bloodwork most important test: TSH ,98 everything Else was within the normal ranges. My 15-year-old son wants to maximize height, masculine development, and health during puberty. So therefore i consulted a Call with one of my friends who is a Endocrinologist. He recommended starting small and I did. He felt better and grew 6cm within the last 6 months while putting on 6kgs. I also feed him liver and oysters 1-2 weekly. His diet normally consists of the carrot, 2L raw milk, 2 raw egg yolks and oxtail mushroom soup
Current Stack (6 months):
Pansterone, 3mg Daily. 1mg in the morning, evening and at lunch taken with meals.
25mcg Tyronene split into 3 doses daily.
11-keto-dht 2mg daily
progest-e 3mg afternoon currently. (He took my bottle as he read about it online and dosed 9mg 3x daily without me knowing so i am quite worried if this was suppresive doctors dont usually test for progesterone though. Should I keep ur at this dose or allow him to go back up to the 9mg Daily)
I usually make him cycle this and i also bought him options gonadin and androsterone he can use or replace with 11kdht. His goals are
Goals: Tall stature, strong bones/muscles, optimal hormones avoiding early growth plate closure from estrogen.He currently feels very good and to make sure he is safe i take him for bloodwork and doctor consultations every month. All help appreciated on the behalf of me and my son.
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@williambjr His TSH is 9.8?
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It appears as though progesterone works best in the 3-9mg range, as anything higher becomes sedative:
So, 9mg is probably fine if there aren't any negative effects visible. I use everything else you mentioned except 11-keto-dht, plus 6-keto-p4, which is an obscure hormone that appears to only block cortisol, leading to lower muscle breakdown, stress, and aging in general:
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/6-keto-p4-liquid-6-ketoprogesterone-for-lab-r-d.24968/
It's actually my favorite Idealabs supplement because of how well it works at knocking down cortisol!
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@alfredoolivas no ,98 as in 0,98.
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@engineer Yes i was thinking of getting it for myself and a bottle for him too. Thank you for the help! Do you Think his androsterone+gonadin would be preferred over 11ketodht?
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@williambjr You are probably going to supress his height by giving him such a high dose of T3. He is making enough, DHEA, preg and progesterone too, they are the youth hormones.
I assume you are wealthy too because you have found a supportive doctor, of this treatment, which frankly, is child abuse according to the law. If you are wealthy, or not even, I would look into growth hormone treatment - pharma grade or underground grade.
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Check out the probiotic mentioned in @lobotomize 's thread from a couple of weeks ago:
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/9002/growing-taller-potential-studies
B. lactis BL-11
Bifidobacterium animalis subsp. lactis BL-11 promotes height growth in children.<<
Personally i'd be wary of certain hormones and certain less studied substances. Less would be more for a teenager in good health. Certain other things do come to mind though like calcium, k2, boron ( very low dose or in foods), D3, mag.
And almost forgot, yes, be sure to keep a doctor in the loop.
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@BioEclectic all of these i give to him.
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@alfredoolivas I am taking him to get bloodwork soon and looking at t3, rt3 and t4 his tsh Isnt low its just slightly. Peat recommended pregnenlone and t3 in another developing male to “extend” growing years and get rid of estrogen.
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@BioEclectic thank you I was thinking of buying penicillin for him as he has slight acne.
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@williambjr yeah but 75mcg is wayyyyy too much for a 15 year old. It's probably catabolic at those doses
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@alfredoolivas no 25mcg split 3x daily
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Hello
Terrible advice here
SorryHe is not eating enough
And taking too many supplementsPeating is about mitochondrial respiration
About a youthful metabolismLet him eat freely
No PUFA
Again
I can’t emphasize this enough
Let him eat abundantly
A healthy appetiteNot restricted
No orthorexia
And at 15
No exogenous hormonesThe further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.
SD
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@Peatful said in 15yo Son on Ray Peat Protocol:
No exogenous hormones
Without any more information this is FUD. Its possible to have not enough of a certain hormone even if you're otherwise very healthy and pro metabolic.
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Is your son obsese? If yes, Niacin 500mg q1h significantly lowered serum FFA and increased GH in children with obesity.
Don't separate work and play; it is all play. 👀
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@DavidPS 500mg q1h × 4 doses
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@Peatful i let him eat as much as he wants. I just didnt mention it
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@DavidPS no 188cm 82kg
