Oral va Topical.
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Hey folks,
I’m trying to nail down my ideal labs stack and I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually used these compounds. I’m especially curious about which of them you think work better topical vs oral, and why.
The list I’m looking at is:
• Tyronene
• 11‑keto DHT
• Lisuride
• Pansterone
• Cyproheptadine
• Androsterone
For each one, I’m interested in:
• Do you prefer topical (transdermal, sublingual, etc.) or oral in practice?
And if possible include quotes or personal experiences.
Also another question Does Anyone have experience with DHT or androsterone injection?
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@williambjr I thought this was for your son!!!
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Bello, where are you getting 11‑keto DHT?
Preferences:
Lisuride - Sublingual
I've tried this product orally (swallowed), topically, and sublingually (hold under tongue for ~30 sec and forget/swallow).
The first time I tried it, I used it topically and experienced a mild dopaminergic effect, then topical application had inconsistent effects, so I pivoted to sublingual, which was more consistent for me.Pansterone - Topical
I've also tried this product through all means of application. It's kind of hard to tell what works best but based on literature and feeling, scrotal application + 1/5th of my dose sublingual is my go-to (sublingual is a "why not" rather than a concrete reason).Cyproheptadine - Sublingual
Cypro hits harder when it's taken sublingual, though I still feel it's effects when used topically, just less. So, I'm assuming the absorption is better sublinguallyAndrosterone - Topical + Sublingual
I haven't seen valid concerns for andro not being absorbed orally/sublingually, and in my experience, the effects are near identical. I think the pheromonal effect is stronger when applied topically and the AI and cognitive effect is slightly stronger when applied orally/sublingually.
I personally split my doses about 50/50 topical and sublingual when I take andro.Haven't tried Tyronene or 11-keto DHT.
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@alfredoolivas I obviously use the products myself too, I just don’t give him Lisuride or cypro.
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@hawk1 Hello, IdeaLabs sell 11ketodht.
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@williambjr
"I am about 15 and 6”2 my goals are height and facial bone development"Just don't do thyroid, it has been associated with bone plate closure. You won't listen, but it's probably the most dangerous and counterproductive thing on your stack.
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@alfredoolivas is this true? Thyroid promotes bone plate closure?
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@CarbCarbCarbs thyroid is needed for mesenchymal cell differentiation into chondrocytes & their maturation into bones, but it promotes closure yeah
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@alfredoolivas yeah im aware. Me and my son use this account. We are not on here though mainly the raypeat forum. And the reason i give him t3 is because his ATP production is bad.
