New "Mission" of RPF
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All invented IMO. Pictures could be anybody. We've never heard a voice, seen a person in person.
Iceland's just the server, and has nothing to do with it.
The Ray Peat Forum is recognized by more than one website as a non-profit operating in Cambridge, UK. This is not getting mixed up with any server location, IMO.
Edit: I vaguely remember Peatarian, and I don't think Charlie was associated with it -- it was like a whole different thing completely -- but I can't say for sure. I was a member of a couple of FB groups discussing Peat's work, but I'm pretty sure 'Charlie' didn't come from there. Who would even think to be suspicious back then, someone like me still learning?
From the domain owner info, it looks like Ray starting publishing his work on his website around 2005. That's how I found his work, something from his site came up on a search I did on a topic. There must have been nothing they could do to stop him from publishing his work on his own website, hence the invention of the RPF. No wonder he later expressed concern about it.
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@Mulloch94 Namecheap is the domain registrar and Cloudflare is the server. Iceland is just the standard address Namecheap uses if you pay for privacy so that your home address isn’t listed.
I was around for Peatarian. It started out great but got a bit crazy because there was no moderation. Charlie was never a member.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130805063645/http://peatarian.com/In 2015 the founder Bruno suddenly shut it down - one day it points to this new URL with this message: “This used to be a Ray Peat inspired forum called 'Peatarian', but as pointed out by many people throughout the years the whole concept is not a good idea, it's way too cultish.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20150429173020/http://beesandbutterflies.org/This was the thread about it on RPF
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/peatarian-com-is-now-beesandbutterflies-org.6497/Later on there was talk that Bruno thought Danny and Georgi were gang stalking him and sending subliminal messages through YouTube videos.
https://www.reddit.com/r/raypeat/comments/18l2ykp/anon_who_claims_he_was_gangstalked_and_harassed/There is some more info about the history here
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/how-did-ray-peat-became-known.24744/As for Charlie I agree with you that his way of writing did not change. Maybe AI is good enough to fake that these days? Otherwise I think it’s very possible he was installed from Day one. Just waiting for Ray’s death to activate the plan.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
From the domain owner info, it looks like Ray starting publishing his work on his website around 2005. That's how I found his work, something from his site came up on a search I did on a topic. There must have been nothing they could do to stop him from publishing his work on his own website, hence the invention of the RPF. No wonder he later expressed concern about it.
I found Ray’s website through search as well. I doubt that would even be possible now. Most independent health websites are now buried or deindexed in search engines. Or what happened with Cancer Tutor - someone bought it and all the original info is gone.
Also notice how there aren’t any forums that come up in search anymore, other than Reddit. They want us on social media sites where our conversations can be monitored and redirected by the likes of Garrett Smith, Thor Torrens, Will of Europa etc.
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
In 2015 the founder Bruno suddenly shut it down - one day it points to this new URL with this message: “This used to be a Ray Peat inspired forum called 'Peatarian', but as pointed out by many people throughout the years the whole concept is not a good idea, it's way too cultish.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20150429173020/http://beesandbutterflies.org/This was the thread about it on RPF
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/peatarian-com-is-now-beesandbutterflies-org.6497/Later on there was talk that Bruno thought Danny and Georgi were gang stalking him and sending subliminal messages through YouTube videos.
https://www.reddit.com/r/raypeat/comments/18l2ykp/anon_who_claims_he_was_gangstalked_and_harassedThis is all very bizarre and I wasn't aware of any of it. On Wayback Machine it looks like it goes back to 2012 as well.. I wonder if these were just two different attempts at the same thing. Then in 2015 they realized there was no need for duplication. Of course they'd need to invent some excuse to drop Peatarian and of course it would help to discredit Peat in inklings if people around his work started showing signs of mental instability.
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@C-Mex Maybe there was/is no "Charlie."
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That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
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@C-Mex I found his name - Bruno Vandekerkhove was the founder of Peatarian
That’s from here https://web.archive.org/web/20151220053743/http://beesandbutterflies.org/p/Bruno
List of members here
https://web.archive.org/web/20160206155604/http://beesandbutterflies.org/usersThis is him https://www.facebook.com/bruno.vandekerckhove.37/
I remember messaging with him back in the day... he used to call Ray “Papa”
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It is interesting that Charlie's family business now has a new front page. It is a retail business and has a physical presence in Tallahassee, FL.
https://lifegivingstore.com/https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/tallahassee/profile/health-and-wellness/life-giving-store-0403-236010413
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
“Charlie” is real
He was doxxed back in February - or that’s when it was sent to me privately
That information, I see, no longer exists
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
That's an interesting point. The Viet Cong -- Soviet-backed communists -- were called Charlie. Yes, I am thinking that there is no 'Charlie' except as an invented character, and there never was.
“Charlie” is real
He was doxxed back in February - or that’s when it was sent to me privately
That information, I see, no longer exists
Which is appropriateNo. The guy who set up the Llfe Giving Store (a likely CIA front) might have been doxxed. You sent me his name privately here at the same time as you asked me what my username on the Forum is/was. Remember?
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@DavidPS said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It is interesting that Charlie's family business now has a new front page. It is a retail business and has a physical presence in Tallahassee, FL.
https://lifegivingstore.com/https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/tallahassee/profile/health-and-wellness/life-giving-store-0403-236010413
Are you sure? I had questions about this earlier and it turned out there was no physical store. I get this error:
This address looks like a mail service to me, the kind of businesses that will hold or forward your mail for you.
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@C-Mex I went back and read this thread. Where it is headed in it’s entirety. Im curious to see what unfolds.
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You also told me that his name was posted on Twitter and that was how you knew it. When I asked you for a link, you couldn't find it.
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@C-Mex ok
It was scrubbed
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@jwayne
Thanks. There's no physical store, just a couple of people as contacts and links with home addresses, one in Florida and one in Georgia, some PO boxes and/or mail services used. I looked around at this earlier because I was trying to figure out how 'Charlie' could be claiming that his business and his family were being threatened when nobody even knows who he is and I had assumed that there must be a physical store for such a thing to be happening.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex Maybe there was/is no "Charlie."
The term "Charlie" used by the military mainly refers to enemy soldiers.You're going to need to press @haidut. Georgi says he talked to "charlie" after the banning, right? And perhaps on other occasions. Maybe Danny Roddy has been in touch with Charlie? Has anyone exchanged PM's with him before in years past?
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@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
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I predict that the Life Giving Store will be at the forefront of (after purportedly finding discrepancies and/or problems with some of the products they obtain from a third party) calling for federal regulation in the supplement industry.
Edit: And since the Life Giving Store will be linked with the Ray Peat Forum, some people will wrongly conclude Peat's endorsement of this and that this is a 'continuation and improvement on the life's work of Ray Peat'.
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@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
Earlier on in this thread, there was a link to a guy's name as owner of the 'store' in FL, and his name was associated with some name/addresses in GA. I hadn't seen some of the profiles that you sent so they may be new. There's no physical store -- if you look at the addresses on a map they're in wooded and secluded residential areas, and one was in Florida and the second now in Georgia within this short span of time. I guess the guy's name might have been doxxed, hate mail, whatever, but the way 'Charlie' made it out sounded more like people were physically going after him or his store, but that just may have been my impression. Anyway, the whole thing is a fake, a front, and whoever 'Charlie' is or isn't, wasn't even genuine about having any relationship to the store to begin with. Maybe that link only became convenient to the narrative they are trying to sell much later.
