Have 2500 ng/dl testosterone and my life ruined
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I assume you have halted the T if not are tapering it off?
Look at what Ray has said about these doses of T, a lot will be converted into estrogen. Progesterone could be a substance to test as it would both lower your T (in higher doses) and estrogen. I've heard Ray say that only low doses of things like T should be used and only when you have everything else in check like thyroid calcium, vitamin D etc. Hopefully this helps
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@2500man i used to think getting LH higher was a goal and I might have done this 10 years ago if I had found out about these peptides, I definitely would have thought it was the answer too. Later I found out that Peat thought LH and FSH were irritating pro-fibrotic hormones like all the rest of the pituitary hormones. Sorry to hear what you’re going through.
The peptides have doubtless activated the pituitary as that’s their mechanism of action from what you’ve shared with us. Please someone let me know if I’m off-base with this but I would expect Ray would say that lowering estrogen at the synthesis and receptor levels with thyroid and progesterone would tend to calm down the pituitary excitation, and that thyroid is the main thing for reducing pituitary activity. Maybe get other pituitary hormones like TSH and prolactin checked as well to see if the peptides have affected them too? Do you have any info about how long the stimulating effect of the peptides is supposed to last?
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Sorry for above post. Yes I understand now it is the steroids which are doing this to you. Yes it’s excess estrogen. Peat said estrogen was responsible for libido (weight loss for women podcast “the estrogen industry” 14:52)) and for leakiness of blood vessels, so it explains the sneezing blood as well.
Peat said 1mg makes more sense as a dose with healthy young men making about 2-3mg daily if memory serves, and so he thought 100mg was “ridiculous” so what you took was definitely a crazy amount. I’ve read that bodybuilders take many times more though, like 5,000mg.
This will calm down, but for the time being natural aromatase inhibitors like white button mushrooms (and maybe aspirin?) should give some relief and maybe help speed things along too. And b-vitamins especially vitamin b1 and b2 which are essential for the liver’s estrogen detox process would be very important to get the estrogen out of your system as well. It will wear off, don’t worry.
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@Sugar High estrogen
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What OP is experiencing in regards to an obsession with sex and thinking less seems to be the perspective that steroid users get themselves into, most of the time on purpose. If you go from being the overthinker to being the dumb alpha at bars and clubs, suddenly much more sexual opportunities open up. Most men aren't sexual masterminds, hooking up with chick after chick, which is why they need recreational drugs or steroids to do so. While it very well could be high estrogen, this could also be the side effects of too much testosterone with not enough outlets to utilize this. With levels this high you would definitely need to have a lot of sex or masturbate every single day to calm down. Again, this can be too much testosterone for our modern environment. Steroid users are animals compared to the modern population. You can definitely be too horny or too aggressive for your own good with supraphysiological testosterone levels in modern times.
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@Sugar the mentality of extreme horniness matches that of most normal teenage boys too. Sounds like he’s just got it to a greater degree. Estrogen is an immediate downstream metabolite of testosterone, it all goes together.
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@vocedilegno Well his levels are more than double the testosterone of a teenage boy. Definitely an unmanageable amount of testosterone for someone who isn't an extreme bodybuilder. He transformed himself into a sex obsessed caveman. He needs to lower his test dosage, it's not sustainable.
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@Sugar sounds like we agree
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@Sugar It may also be estrogen
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Going to need some actual details here.
- What exactly did you take?
- How did you take it (injection, oral, etc.)?
- When did you stop taking it?
