DHT with test?
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@Bye4ever I had it checked twice. First time it was flagged high: 25.9 ng/mL [RI: 4-15.2] and the second time it was high-normal: 10.8 ng/mL. On those same tests estradiol was 19 and 18 pg/mL respectively and testosterone 787 and 450 ng/dL. The second test I had horrible, broken sleep the night before yet prolactin was surprisingly lower.
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@risingfire Sorry, I should clarify. I'm not recommending somebody should take DHT only. I recommend taking Test only.
I personally don't even think people should be chasing DHT unless they actually have symptoms and / or bloodwork showing low DHT and / or unopposed estrogen. But that's just my personal view based on my own hormonal profile.
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@Crypt-Keeper I assume 10-50 pg/mL is the reference. Do you conclude that you have low E2 symptoms still?
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@Bye4ever Oh yeah... cracky, achy joints. Poor strength and flexibility. Impossible to get a pump. Low mood. Weight lifting is practically futile. Libido is fine though. Maybe a bit too high.
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@Crypt-Keeper If I may share my experience....If libido is too high or even just functional, it is likely not low E2. I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.
Now E2 is normal but lust is only to occur every 2 weeks. That is normal, not several times a week.
That is just my 2 cents worth of opinion.
Lastly, most people like take too much DHT to begin with. I wonder if someone consistently take 1 mg or less and see.
Everyone seems to love testosterone, without really understanding what it does, by the same extension, that's why most on this forum shy away from progesterone. A lot on this forum should get educated
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@Bye4ever said in DHT with test?:
I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.
Other than the libido situation, how did you feel on those estrogen blockers?
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@Bye4ever I felt horrible when I was injecting DHT e. Taking it transdermally had less side effects. I was constantly weak and tired. I felt off in a way I couldn't quite describe. Was always hungry. Adding a little oral T quickly changed that
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@Crypt-Keeper I like the look DHT gives my body. Plus I feel way more masculine on it. Test has a more social feel. If you take only test you have to take an AI.
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@risingfire Did it affect your face at all?
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@PrinceTrebata in what sense
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@risingfire I heard some people say it masculinizes there face. IE more bone growth, stronger jaw, less bloat, and potentially stronger brow bridge. I don't know if these results were past or pre puberty.
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@PrinceTrebata I would say I look more masculine but it hasn't made me look like a caveman lol. I'm not the next coming of cromagnum man
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@risingfire Interesting. I know many people on "looksmaxing" forums go on Testosterone cycles to try and achieve a more masculine and attractive facial structure. It's funny because they avoid DHT because of potential hair loss when based on your and other testimonials I've read, DHT effects your face in a more positive manner than test does.
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@Crypt-Keeper depends on dose. Anywhere from grounded and calm to anhedonia...no orgasmic pleasure, no pleasure from music, no worries/but no happiness...numb. Getting it right is key. Progesterone feels the most natural in terms of suppressing estrogen. DHT feels the best overall tho, because you are more alive and ''on''. As you may know progesterone is more of a sedative hormone.
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@risingfire When you were injecting, from where did you get the powder, how did you formulate it, what was the excipients? What was the dose you took both injection and transdermally
I ask because never have I heard of anyone being lethargic from taking DHT. Only from progesterone or androsterone.
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@Bye4ever it was pre-formulated. I bought it from a vendor already in a suspension. It's not as commonly known but T/DHT ratio is extremely important. Have you known anyone to inject DHT without test?
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@risingfire I will reply, for the sake of other users reading this. There is some potential for misunderstanding.
You bought a pre-formulated injection of DHT - I assume we have had the same experience. Is this the Russianstarpeptide injectable DHT? I took it some years ago, I remember it made me extremely ill like you have described..overpriced it was as well. Formulating your own will prove you wrong that the ''injectable DHT'' was actually DHT. This comes after close to 3 years of topical use.
There are also extremely many positive anecdotal reviews on DHT cream on many forums, these were even above the physiological dose recommended by Ray (1mg).
DHT/T ratio does not exist in the terms of the physiological doses that this subject is about.
If anything DHT, would increase androgens given that it has a self-sustaining cycle when applied topically (increasing local 5-AR, decreasing aromatase, which increases its intermediaries like testosterone). Its effect on biological hormones makes it a pro testosterone, pro progesterone amongst other things.
This is all hypothetical, since taking 1mg would not do much in terms of skewing any favourable ratio.
DHEA with DHT would also further compound androgens synthesis.
''Have you known anyone to inject DHT without test?'' - Yes plenty, including myself to inhibit estrogen related side effects when taking steroids, since DHT-derived AAS are notoriously good at suppressing estrogen levels.
This notion of DHT/T ratio stems from the AAS communities....The general norm from there, is nowadays to co-administer equivalent or higher doses of testosterone to e.g. primobolan which is DHT-derived. Which fundamentally is sound if taking anabolic steroids...Even tho you are looking at extreme suppression and more side effects, since the threshold for testesterone utilisation is typically around 100-200mg, which is only a rookie start for most. A bit is key, just like taking DHEA and pregnenolone and/or hCG is also recommended - if taking anabolic steroids, which...we are likely not even discussing.
I would consider myself a testosterone connoisseur (unfortunately). Having trialed topical testosterone in many different carries, to different injectable testerosterone consisting of many different esters, I haven't shied away from +500mg...It is all a fairy tail when it comes to testosterone. It is not the protagonist or the main character in males. People need to revise this idea. Never ever have I yet seen more people buying testosterone (not from me
) and injecting dubious amounts in hope of it being the elixir of their long awaited epiphanyHope this give some clarity to anyone reading
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@Bye4ever @risingfire Russian Star Peptides are known scammers. Someone or rpf said their dht gel contained caffeine and finasteride instead of dht, dont know if thats true, but someone else on reddit had it tested at Janoshik and it contained no dht.
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@pannacottas There you go, thank you for the clarification. My anecdotal experience with his products fits this very well.
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@Bye4ever were injecting dht or taking it orally/transdermally? I started taking Keto DHT with 1 or 2mgs transdermally years ago. I moved on to alpha gels transdermally and anavar orally and never experienced the lethargy and weakness that I did during July. I lost my resiliency and couldn't sleep well. I was injecting from AVG not Russian Star Peptides.
Once I added test into the mix I instantly felt better. I most likely crashed my estrogen
