I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?
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@yerrag said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Serotoninskeptic said in [I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring ca
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man imo..depends on what kind of protein. less methionine less cysteine more glycine, favoring preservation rather than building of structure.
not sure if high carb isn't helpful with elderly people. my koi when mature eat less protein and more carb as too much protein ends up not utilized and end up as waste. nitrogenous waste such as ammonia and nitrates are stressful.
@yerrag There is really no way to say with confidence what's best to way to eat for any individual however I've come to the opinion that lots of activity like walking or gardening in the case of the elderly is very important for high carb diets . Europeans especially shouldn't carb load and then sit at a computer. It becomes a net negative although you mention positives. This is just my opinion but I've spent some time thinking about it.
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@TexugoDoMel Thank you. That's the quote I remembered. I doubt I ever read he ate 50% calories as fat.
But 35 percent is just slightly less than a standard American diet. I remembered him talking about making food from coconut oil like he was at least experimenting with high saturated fat diets.
I think he was only low fat for a few years.
Perhaps because english isn't my first language, the first time I read this quote, especially the “little less fat, maybe 30 to 35%” part, I interpreted it as “little less fat, maybe 30 to 35% less”.
The few times I've seen him comment on his diet, he didn't seem to be eating all that much fat
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@Kvirion said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor
It may be hard to optimize for a healthspan (quality) and lifespan (adding years) simultaneously...
Especially if someone didn't start in perfect conditions...so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man IMO..
I guess that manipulating mTOR can be a double-edged sword... In Ray's age, one small step too far i.e. out of balance could have been decisive...
Especially with all the PFAS, pesticides, and plastic everywhere... Plus a grim outlook for our world...I think he may have figured this out. In one his last interviews with Patrick Timpone, Timpone said something like RP is off all the vegetables.
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@TexugoDoMel I'm not clear on the timeline. Actually I'm not even sure when he gave the quote you posted.
He always mentioned 1% milk and orange juice. But I think he also liked cheese and he had a recipe for coconut oil ice cream. Honestly, he may have been changing things all the time over his life.
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
I think he may have figured this out. In one his last interviews with Patrick Timpone, Timpone said something like RP is off all the vegetables.
Interesting, thanks. I will check it.
BTW I'm just listening to probably Ray's last interview with Georgi and Danny when he explained his mTor/methionine restriction, sugar intake, etc.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dannyroddy/p/85-protein-restriction-lidocaine?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web×tamp=2555 -
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if you put it down to context, it isn't the age as much as the metabolic health of the elderly as far as being able to burn carbs efficiently. not all elderly are in poor metabolic health but we can agree though that generally they are, being that poor metabolic health when young carries over as one ages. With that having high carb is not helpful at all, but that doesn't have to only apply when one reaches old age.
I don't have to list many reasons, but being able to live a high carb lifestyle and being able to get away with it in good health, fit and trim, free of allergies and aches, and having vibrant energy and a very active and sound mind, in old age, is a matter of being able to use the mitochondria to burn sugar efficiently, and especially being able to produce a lot of CO2. CO², together with its ability to turn acidic as carbonic acid, and to turn alkaline as bicarbonates, gives stability to the pH that governs the virtuous cycles the body depends on to be maintenance and trouble free. Being a perpetually healthy and developing organism allows us to live long and stay useful for ourselves and for society.
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@yerrag I've heard that even light activity has a large effect on glucose disposal and that's why being sedentary is such a large issue. But as one gets older with less muscle it becomes an even bigger issue since the muscle is the main place for glucose disposal.
But also to your point, exercise impacts the mitochondria.
Ray Peat once said something like he does squats every 10 years or something along those lines. He didn't believe in exercise without purpose. My sense was he didn't schedule regular fitness if there was nothing useful to do.
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@Insomniac Light activity is helpful definitely. I doubt any healthy elderly individual would want to be sedentary, unless he has a lot of research work lined up for material to use in a newsletter, like Ray Peat. He is a notable example showing that a lifestyle not revolving around being a gym rat or a 10k stepaholic is viable by virtue of having a strong internal or basal metabolism, external metabolism being optional. Using the brain as he does, he could be burning probably more than the walking 10k nandroids that litter neighborhoods and parks.
We have to be reminded that when our food supply wasn't taken over by Talmudist businessmen cum gaslighters, our recent ancestors didn't have gyms and didn't squawk walk with fancy wearables, and just lived normal lives doing chores and even get away without doing chores when they spend quiet evenings reading books and using their brain more than we do watching YouTube videos. They weren't overweight nor obese, not sickly, their heads and guts don't ache frequently, and peanut butter wasn't even an allergen nor a cause of death.
The only reason elderlies are sedentary these days isn't a matter of free will but a matter of being unhealthy all their lives with living a very unhealthy lifestyle including being drugged and poisoned through all means the Talmudists can introduce by hook or by crook thru established instructions that have become the way for toxic ideas to become accepted by the mainstream.
They are ridden with all sorts of pain that make it hard for them to walk.When they are in such a state of degeneration, and can't do the things that keep muscle tone and tension in a regular state of use, that worsens the situation where an already poor state of health gets worse. But to begin with, it's not for lack of exercise that they reached that point of disease.
But given that they are in such poor shape, it is a given that their metabolic health is shot. They can't metabolize sugar well, and they are also in a low metabolic state.
They can live probably better in carnivore or ketogenic mode, only because these metabolic pathways don't require the body to pass thru hoops to work like sugar metabolism does. The degree of difficulty is like doing a gymnastic routine that would get a score of 1 even when done perfectly, as opposed to doing a routine with the aplomb of Nadia Comaneci way back, which geta a score of 10. If my analogy is not clear, keto and carnivore is a low bar to pass, and doing hi carb is a very high bar to pass.
Very sick people can only pass the low bar.
Very healthy elderly people easily can dish out a lifestyle that involves plenty of carb intake, and that lifestyle verily sustains their continued optimal health. They can do physical activities just as they were able to in younger years, and will not just sit by and watch the sunset but will amble along the shore and enjoy their twilight years in radiant and productive health.
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Most of all, they can eat cakes and ice cream, and drink Coke and coffee, and drink life to its lees. And they can use their bonus years to share their wisdom, as gained over the years. They are blessed, and will certainly be a blessing to all.
