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Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome

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    DavidPS
    last edited by Dec 20, 2024, 1:13 PM

    Stephen T. Sinatra (1946 – 2022) was a board-certified cardiologist  specializing in integrative medicine.  He studied coenzyme Q10 in the prevention and treatment of heart disease. His experience with CoQ10 led him to develop a new branch of cardiology: "metabolic cardiology."

    Metabolic cardiology involves preventing and treating cardiovascular disease at the cellular level with nutraceuticals  which improve ATP production in heart cells. He wrote, “Bioenergetics is at the Core of Metabolic Cardiology”.

    The four nutraceuticals for heart health he referred to as “The Awesome Foursome”:

    1. Magnesium:
    2. CoQ10: there are two forms one is called ubiquinone and the other is called ubiquinol, ubiquinol is a little more powerful (and expensive), but both work.
    3. L-Carnitine: a fatty acid shuttle into mitochondria.
    4. D-Ribose: building blocks for your cells energy needs.

    Dr. Sinatra wrote that these specific nutrients are worth trying to see if they help you feel better and help your heart and other cells to work well. He made a presentation in 2015 describing the impact of these nutraceuticals on heart health. Here is his presentation which is entitled “Healing the Heart”.

    On his website he wrote Metabolic-cardiology-Basics.

    Dr. Sinatra also authored several books that are available at retailers.

    ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
    ☂️

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      bot-mod @DavidPS
      last edited by Dec 20, 2024, 2:13 PM

      @DavidPS said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

      "metabolic cardiology."

      I Love it!

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        Razvan @DavidPS
        last edited by Dec 21, 2024, 3:44 AM

        @DavidPS L carnitine can cause heart attacks due to the pro fatty acid oxidation effect, raises cortisol also. Mildronate used to block l carnitine improves heart failure and CVD.

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          DavidPS @Razvan
          last edited by Dec 21, 2024, 2:20 PM

          @Razvan said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

          L carnitine can cause heart attacks due to the pro fatty acid oxidation effect, raises cortisol also.

          Thanks, I generally think that dose makes the poison. L-carnitine is part of many healthy diets and may be deficient in elderly with heart issues who do not eat enough meat.

          6 Foods High in L-Carnitine That Are Really Good for You

          Strangely, the delivery method also matters. Eating foods containing L-carnitine will have a different effect than injecting it.
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          L-carnitine in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease: systematic review and meta-analysis (2013)

          Conclusion: Compared with placebo or control, L-carnitine is associated with a 27% reduction in all-cause mortality, a 65% reduction in VAs, and a 40% reduction in anginal symptoms in patients experiencing an acute myocardial infarction. Further study with large randomized controlled trials of this inexpensive and safe therapy in the modern era is warranted.

          ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
          ☂️

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            Sunniva
            last edited by Sunniva Dec 23, 2024, 10:28 AM Dec 23, 2024, 10:25 AM

            Didn't Dr. Peat always recommend the cheaper ubiquinone, original CoQ10? I am trying to find the reference.

            "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

            "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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              DavidPS @Sunniva
              last edited by Dec 23, 2024, 1:00 PM

              @Sunniva said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

              ubiquinone, original CoQ10

              User: which is healthier ubiquinone or ubiquinonol

              Peatbot.com: The context provided does not specifically address the health differences between ubiquinone and ubiquinol. However, it does discuss the role of ubiquinone in mitochondrial respiration and its interaction with other compounds like vitamin E. Ubiquinone is a part of the electron transport chain and is involved in preventing the formation of toxic free radicals by stabilizing electron leakage.

              Ubiquinol is the reduced form of ubiquinone and is often marketed as a more potent antioxidant. The context does not provide a direct comparison between the two in terms of health benefits. Therefore, based on the provided information, I cannot definitively say which is healthier.

              ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
              ☂️

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                DavidPS
                last edited by Jan 13, 2025, 12:53 PM

                Double posting this image.

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                Also posted in CoQ10 Experiences

                ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
                ☂️

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                  Ismail
                  last edited by Jan 14, 2025, 1:09 PM

                  @DavidPS said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

                  D-Ribose

                  Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

                  I have been taking magnesium and coq10 for quite some time now.

                  L-Carnitine however makes me very stressed 🤷‍♂️

                  D-Ribose was absolutely shockingly amazing when I first took it, however subsequent days of trying it did nothing, in fact if I remember correctly it also caused a stress response.

                  Anyone else had positive/negative reactions to L-Carnitine and/or D-Ribose?

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                    Kvirion @Ismail
                    last edited by Jan 15, 2025, 11:10 PM

                    @Ismail said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

                    Anyone else had positive/negative reactions to L-Carnitine and/or D-Ribose?

                    I always felt bad after L-Carnitine. Bioenergetics helped me to understand why:

                    After L-carnitine, serotonin increased (8-fold in CFS, Sig. = 0.002, 6-fold in hypothyroidism, Sig. < 0.001) whereas fatigue decreased (2-fold in both CFS and hypothyroidism, Sig. = 0.002 for CFS, Sig. < 0.001 for hypothyroidism)

                    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10948554/

                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
                    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                      Ismail @Kvirion
                      last edited by Jan 23, 2025, 5:32 PM

                      @Kvirion Thank you, makes sense now! Always read that Dr Peat didn't recommend it, but could never tell if the message was verbatim or stretched version of the truth, and I myself didn't quite understand the mechanisms behind why it was affecting me negatively. Appreciate your post.

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                        Kvirion @Ismail
                        last edited by Jan 24, 2025, 2:35 PM

                        @Ismail You're welcome 🙂

                        A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                        And drinking largely sobers us again.
                        ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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