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      bot-mod @DavidPS
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      @DavidPS said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

      "metabolic cardiology."

      I Love it!

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      • RazvanR
        Razvan @DavidPS
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        @DavidPS L carnitine can cause heart attacks due to the pro fatty acid oxidation effect, raises cortisol also. Mildronate used to block l carnitine improves heart failure and CVD.

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          DavidPS @Razvan
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          @Razvan said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

          L carnitine can cause heart attacks due to the pro fatty acid oxidation effect, raises cortisol also.

          Thanks, I generally think that dose makes the poison. L-carnitine is part of many healthy diets and may be deficient in elderly with heart issues who do not eat enough meat.

          6 Foods High in L-Carnitine That Are Really Good for You

          Strangely, the delivery method also matters. Eating foods containing L-carnitine will have a different effect than injecting it.
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          L-carnitine in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease: systematic review and meta-analysis (2013)

          Conclusion: Compared with placebo or control, L-carnitine is associated with a 27% reduction in all-cause mortality, a 65% reduction in VAs, and a 40% reduction in anginal symptoms in patients experiencing an acute myocardial infarction. Further study with large randomized controlled trials of this inexpensive and safe therapy in the modern era is warranted.

          “Medical science has made such tremendous progress that there is hardly a healthy human left.”
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          • SunnivaS
            Sunniva
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            Didn't Dr. Peat always recommend the cheaper ubiquinone, original CoQ10? I am trying to find the reference.

            "You're changing your past every time you learn something because you become a different organism" Ray Peat

            "Everything is changing thru time, whether it's a word, organism, thing. The world around it changes, and so its relationships change"Ray Peat

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              DavidPS @Sunniva
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              @Sunniva said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

              ubiquinone, original CoQ10

              User: which is healthier ubiquinone or ubiquinonol

              Peatbot.com: The context provided does not specifically address the health differences between ubiquinone and ubiquinol. However, it does discuss the role of ubiquinone in mitochondrial respiration and its interaction with other compounds like vitamin E. Ubiquinone is a part of the electron transport chain and is involved in preventing the formation of toxic free radicals by stabilizing electron leakage.

              Ubiquinol is the reduced form of ubiquinone and is often marketed as a more potent antioxidant. The context does not provide a direct comparison between the two in terms of health benefits. Therefore, based on the provided information, I cannot definitively say which is healthier.

              “Medical science has made such tremendous progress that there is hardly a healthy human left.”
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                Double posting this image.

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                Also posted in CoQ10 Experiences

                “Medical science has made such tremendous progress that there is hardly a healthy human left.”
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                • IsmailI
                  Ismail
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                  @DavidPS said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

                  D-Ribose

                  Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

                  I have been taking magnesium and coq10 for quite some time now.

                  L-Carnitine however makes me very stressed 🤷‍♂️

                  D-Ribose was absolutely shockingly amazing when I first took it, however subsequent days of trying it did nothing, in fact if I remember correctly it also caused a stress response.

                  Anyone else had positive/negative reactions to L-Carnitine and/or D-Ribose?

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                  • KvirionK
                    Kvirion @Ismail
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                    @Ismail said in Bioenergetic Cardiology & the Awesome Foursome:

                    Anyone else had positive/negative reactions to L-Carnitine and/or D-Ribose?

                    I always felt bad after L-Carnitine. Bioenergetics helped me to understand why:

                    After L-carnitine, serotonin increased (8-fold in CFS, Sig. = 0.002, 6-fold in hypothyroidism, Sig. < 0.001) whereas fatigue decreased (2-fold in both CFS and hypothyroidism, Sig. = 0.002 for CFS, Sig. < 0.001 for hypothyroidism)

                    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10948554/

                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
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                    • IsmailI
                      Ismail @Kvirion
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                      @Kvirion Thank you, makes sense now! Always read that Dr Peat didn't recommend it, but could never tell if the message was verbatim or stretched version of the truth, and I myself didn't quite understand the mechanisms behind why it was affecting me negatively. Appreciate your post.

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                      • KvirionK
                        Kvirion @Ismail
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                        @Ismail You're welcome 🙂

                        A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                        And drinking largely sobers us again.
                        ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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