@alfredoolivas Yeah, I see your point.

I guess it would be better to exchange the category name for "mediators" - ones who don't like their friends fighting each other and try to establish consensus or mutual understanding. This will fit more with empathy.

But this is one of my reservations about this study - categories seem to be too broad... too generalized.

Or maybe this study should be seen just as a study of dating sites'' members nothing more...

I tend to see noticable kindness as a bad first impression when I meet someone.

This may be highly context/culture-dependent...

@alfredoolivas Yes, this is a good one!

But for example, I doubt the estrogen category, the study would do probably much better with progesterone instead.
I would probably also exchange Testosterone type with the T to DHT ratio... etc.

@lobotomize-me Nice find, thanks!
So, some next experiments before me...

@jamezb46 said in Estrogenic, Androgenic and Progestogenic People:

I actually think that there are some observable characteristics that can give some indication of at least some of those hormones. For example, the 2D/4D digit ratio test for pre-natal testosterone exposure.

There was a (quasi-?) scientific attempt to approach a similar topic: https://helenfisher.com/personality/ - I may have some/many doubts about the methodology, but still I think the author at least tried to do her best...

@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:

@Kvirion you do you . For me it certainly didn't feel like it raised prolactin , quite the opposite.

Yep, right. Context matters
Therefore Perceive. Think. Act. is a bit different for everyone.

@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:

@Kvirion do you have any reference for it increasing prolactin in vivo ?

Sweeti basil is a galactagogue and galactagogues increase prolactin...

Some of the studies I posted above used sweet basil and it drastically increased testosterone which is unlikely if it increases prolactin...

Maybe an increase in progesterone overcomes prolactin, or maybe the antiinflammatory actions of basil help with the production of testosterone.

This is too complicated and unreliable mode of action for me. Therefore not worth trying - at least for me..

@wester130 said in Estrogenic, Androgenic and Progestogenic People:

nothing I said was scientific, they are observations.

Science is simply about how to better observe and how to draw better conclusions...

And yes, there is no science in your initial conclusion/categorization - just poor judgment...

This forum is devoted to Ray Peat, who was very wise, scientific, and prudent in his conclusions. Please behave accordingly.

@Mauritio said in Holy Basil: Phyto-TESTOSTERONE, Progesterone and thyro-mimetic ?:

sweet basil

Sweet basil seems to be a galactagogue, i.e., it promotes lactation in humans and other animals, i.e., increases prolactin—therefore, I wouldn't touch it with a proverbial stick.

Just a field report...
I tried Holy Basil today. I didn't notice much effect.
Probably, some anti-inflammatory (maybe TSH lowering one?) and a bit cortisol/adrenaline lowering one, but since I have my cortisol pretty under control this wasn't any significant change.
No change in body temperature or libido.

@bigdeuce Take all the good advice provided in this thread, just start small and don't stop.

Maybe just start with doing some meal/food experiments, finding/reading interesting books, going to new places, etc. Then learn how to get more CO2 with bag/Buteyko breathing

Also, read/learn how to lower stress in peaty ways:
https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2014/05/25/stress-a-shifting-of-resources/
https://raypeatexplained.com/ray-peat-on-stress/
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml
etc.

"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in suffering" - Friedrich Nietzsche