heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA)

[winters]

I've talked about my predicament with heavy metal toxicity (specifically antimony). Will sauna be effective for curing this? I was also thinking of buying DMSA (which is a bit expensive). Should I go with that option instead?

[DavidPS]

You may want to consider modified citrus pectin. It has been shown to reduce antimony (Sb).

The Effect of Modified Citrus Pectin on Urinary Excretion of Toxic Elements (2016)

Merry Christmas!

[winters]

@DavidPS

apparently binders are useless (according to Andy Cutler)

[DavidPS]

@winters = how do you and Andy reconcile the increased urinary excretion using modified citrus pectin?

[DavidPS]

@winters - An old image from my hard drive that might be of interest to you or others. Years ago I purchased EDTA from amazon. It may still be there.

[Mauritio]

@DavidPS said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

@winters - An old image from my hard drive that might be of interest to you or others. Years ago I purchased EDTA from amazon. It may still be there.

Thanks .today I had an MRI scan becuse of my abnormal hormones. Unfortunately I wasn't aware that the contrast they gave me is galadium , a heavy metal.

I already took some MCP, selenium and ate some apples (for apple pectin) .

Do you have any other suggestion ? Chelation ?

[CrumblingCookie]

@Mauritio said:

today I had an MRI scan becuse of my abnormal hormones. Unfortunately I wasn't aware that the contrast they gave me is galadium , a heavy metal.

Do you have any other suggestion ? Chelation ?

N-Acetylcysteine with equimolar amounts of complementary glycine throughout three consecutive days at least. And anything that enhances timely renal clearance (bicarbonates perhaps? chloride ions?).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15789388/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17906283/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28934030/

[Mauritio]

@CrumblingCookie said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

@Mauritio said:

today I had an MRI scan becuse of my abnormal hormones. Unfortunately I wasn't aware that the contrast they gave me is galadium , a heavy metal.

Do you have any other suggestion ? Chelation ?

N-Acetylcysteine with equimolar amounts of complementary glycine throughout three consecutive days at least. And anything that enhances timely renal clearance (bicarbonates perhaps? chloride ions?).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15789388/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17906283/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28934030/

Thanks !
I started taking calcium chloride today , so that is a timely coincidence . It gives me calcium and chloride both of which shoukd help . (Peat mentioned lowering PTH works against heavy metal absorption)

I'm not the biggest fan of NAC . I suppose the reason it works here is its anti-oxodsnt effect . This would be in line with what peat said in this interview that as long as there's enough free radicals that protect you from oxidative stress from the heavy metals they are relatively safe and will be excreted over time .

I also found this comment on chelation by peat interesting.

"Question: Does the body quickly or gradually get rid of DMPS or DMSA chelating agents? I have many people who nearly died when they took DMPS or DMSA. But, I should think that the body would eventually detox it. What do you think?] The idea of using it to remove metals is that it leaves the body rapidly. The damage produced by moving the metals around could be fairly permanent, but the chelator leaves very quickly. Environmental pollutants, food fats, and cosmetics are the things people should worry about accumulating in their tissues."

[Mauritio]

@Mauritio said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

Peat mentioned lowering PTH works against heavy metal absorption)

Here's the respective thread .
https://bioenergetic.forum/post/34066

[CrumblingCookie]

@Mauritio I see two possible shortcomings in these points:
Low PTH (=sufficient dietary calcium/magnesium which compete with heavy metals for Ca/Mg uptake) is about lower absorption.
The injected gadolinium is already within your body. It's all about excretion now and preventing retention and tissue deposition.

the heavy metals they are relatively safe and will be excreted over time

The damage produced by moving the metals around could be fairly permanent, but the chelator leaves very quickly.

The gadolinium is already mobilized in your circulation and you want to keep it mobilized and prevent its tissue deposition and maximize its clearance right now. Before it settles down in your brain. Because that's where it will end up anyways if you don't excrete it in a timely fashion now.
Keeping the chelating agents or glutathionylation in a steady supply throughout the day rather than single bolus-dosing is a sound approach. I actually don't know whether or which chelating agents work on gadolinium. The NAC is about preventing stasis and maximizing the excretion.

[DavidPS]

@Mauritio - I have not been able to find a preferred metal chelation agent for gadolinium. Here are some suggestions for after the exposure.

Protection Before and Detoxing After a Scan: Contrast Dye and Radiation Detoxing

This 2024 article was retracted but it is interesting.

Gadolinium deposition disease undergoing intravenous DTPA chelation Retracted

[Mauritio]

@CrumblingCookie said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

Low PTH (=sufficient dietary calcium/magnesium which compete with heavy metals for Ca/Mg uptake) is about lower absorption

If you listen to what Peat said carefully in the interview I linked above, it isn't only about absorption.
The chronological order is as follows:

1. Low calcium
2. High PTH
3. Glycolytic energy production
4. Increase in Lactate
5. Inside of cells becomes more alkaline
6. Negative Ions increasingly bind to positively charged heavy metals and deposit them in soft tissues as long as they're under the influence of PTH

So by increasing dietary Calcium intake you interfere at step 1 and thus inhibit heavy metal Soft tissue deposition.

[Mauritio]

@DavidPS Thanks!

[Mauritio]

@CrumblingCookie said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

Keeping the chelating agents or glutathionylation in a steady supply throughout the day rather than single bolus-dosing is a sound approach. I actually don't know whether or which chelating agents work on gadolinium. The NAC is about preventing stasis and maximizing the excretion.

I don't have NAC at hand, I think. But I'll take some Selegiline, which has been shown to increase GPx.

[DavidPS]

Joe Cohen has an interesting video on his experience using MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34x3jcRIo0

Peatbot: The context provided suggests that MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) can be tolerated in fairly large amounts, but it can also be toxic in those amounts. It is important to be cautious and to read actual research articles on MSM to understand its effects better. While some people take MSM for joint flexibility or as a sulfur supplement, it is not something that cells necessarily need, and it can be toxic if taken in excessive amounts. Therefore, it is advisable to approach MSM supplementation with caution and to be informed about its potential risks.

[DavidPS]

Iron chelation or dietary iron restriction may limit or even regress atherosclerosis.

Or blood donation.

[Mauritio]

@DavidPS said in heavy metal chelation (sauna, DMSA):

Joe Cohen has an interesting video on his experience using MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34x3jcRIo0

Peatbot: The context provided suggests that MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) can be tolerated in fairly large amounts, but it can also be toxic in those amounts. It is important to be cautious and to read actual research articles on MSM to understand its effects better. While some people take MSM for joint flexibility or as a sulfur supplement, it is not something that cells necessarily need, and it can be toxic if taken in excessive amounts. Therefore, it is advisable to approach MSM supplementation with caution and to be informed about its potential risks.

interesting i just came here to post the exact same video. i'm gonna take some msm Soon. its efficacy might also be due To the heavy metal -fungus connection that i previously posted About.