Are zyns Peaty?

[eric]

Georgi went into nicotine in detail in an old GE episode. The summary was that nicotine is a mixed bag and is ultimately not peaty. I'll try to find it.

[eric]

@eric said in Are zyns Peaty?:

Georgi went into nicotine in detail in an old GE episode. The summary was that nicotine is a mixed bag and is ultimately not peaty. I'll try to find it.

couldn't find it. I do remember he said something about how if cigs weren't carcinogenic they'd be better for you than pure nicotine because of the other compounds in there (MAOIs maybe?). Personally I use Swedish snus.

[Sugar]

@Blitz Go with Nic Nac Naturals instead. Flavored with essential oils and sweetened with xylithol instead of artificial sweeteners and flavors.

[ah]

overall probably no since it does elevate cortisol and adrenaline, however it has a number of benefits
for one, it inhibits 3a-HSD, the enzyme which breaks down DHT, so it raises DHT significantly, and since DHT competitively inhibits aromatase, it also indirectly raises testosterone while lowering estrogen
the cortisol/adrenaline spike can be mitigated by consuming enough carbs and having a healthy liver
it also prevents neurodegenerative diseases such as alzheimers

so considering how estrogenic the modern environment is, nicotine is a commonly available androgenic compound that can be an antidote to the estrogenicity of the modern world, so theres an argument that in our current environment its overall beneficial, while in an ideal environment it would be deleterious

as for zyn, it has gums which might promote bacterial overgrowth (although nicotine inhibits bacterial growth), I suspect the pouch also has micro plastics much like teabags
snus, which just uses pure tobacco, is better
I believe nicotine pouches (including snus) can also cause gum damage so be careful of that
nicotine toothpicks are probably safer
I personally prefer cigarettes and juul (not peaty)

[Blitz]

@ah thanks for the depth analysis information. Zyns definitely cause gum retention and last time I went to the dentist after a year of zyns my gums were bleeding horribly. I’be also noticed that if I use too many zyns in a day, it starts to upset my stomach and digestive tract.

I personally like cigarettes and cigars, but their smell and horrific effects on your lung keep me away from being a regular user.

[NoFapPeating]

I like the mint flavor

[abelbody]

@NoFapPeating
I have noticed better digestion with zyns. Also nic nacs, but zyns give me a better buzz. I’d smoke more but can’t deal with the smell at work.

[Londyman]

@Blitz
https://www.sott.net/article/338885-A-comprehensive-review-of-the-many-health-benefits-of-smoking-Tobacco

[Alexander99]

I used Nordic Spirit (snus in Britain) for a few months last year, it was decent for energy levels but became a very heavy user quickly. I would get a very visceral energy boost and sense of euphoria for a bit then would kind of taper off into a sluggish feeling. Mind that at the lowest level, NS has about 6mg of nicotine going up to 12mg (which I used a while) whereas when I went to the States I found Zyn was standard at 3mg, with 6mg available, highest I could find was 7mg Velo - weak by British standards.

Quit late last year, and found it easy to quit. Quit due to fears around blood vessel constriction and aging of the skin that would result due to reduced flow of collagen to tissue. I didn't experience weight loss during this period. Any energy boost from it should just be found in caffeine or thyroid instead (both far healthier methods).

[Sophocles]

There is evidence that nicotine (usually patch but also via other methods) can be useful for tics (as seen in chronic tic disorders like Tourette’s), ADHD, OCD and perhaps even schizophrenia.

I think if using nicotine allows someone to avoid the other harmful drugs used for some of these conditions (antipsychotics/neuroleptics, amphetamine/stimulants, SSRIs etc..) then nicotine can be quite helpful.

So at the very least, compared to other medications it’s much better. If someone is just using it for fun or for concentrating better, then using nicotine from a patch, gum or zyn is definitely better than smoking a cigarette.

[eric]

@eric said in Are zyns Peaty?:

Georgi went into nicotine in detail in an old GE episode. The summary was that nicotine is a mixed bag and is ultimately not peaty. I'll try to find it.

found it (may be errors in transcript)

I wouldn't use nicotine long term. I think nicotine has some great advantages short term. It is an aromatase inhibitor. It's a monoaminoxidase type B inhibitor. So in other words, you will lower estrogen and may increase. It will decrease the degradation of dopamine, right? But it also releases free fatty acids, and it's pretty effective at that. And it has a potent pro-adrenergic effect. And it's also like basically acts as an agonist of the acetylcholine receptors. So this in the long run actually has really detrimental effects. And they outweigh the positive ones. And ironically actually, despite the fact that smoking cigarettes has other and more dangerous. So overall, cigarette is ironically like a stronger carcinogen. But systemically for the health is better in the sense that it has additional components there that mitigate somewhat the negative effects of nicotine. So, but if you only use nicotine, it's not a carcinogenic. But I think over time, it really targets the brain and the elevated free fatty acids. It basically raises your metabolism in a bad way. It mimics exhaustive exercise. You're going to get the same adrenergic slash cortisol response if you run for like, I don't know, five, six, ten miles.

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