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@sneedful I’ve not really seen people have as big a problem with his choice to follow a diet virtually opposite what Ray suggests, but rather the terrible way he treated a hundred plus members (including the ones that stayed), in bursts of bans over trivial matters, on top of hardcore misrepresentation of Ray’s ideas to the point of calling them trash.

The new attitude seemed to have largely started with banning a guy for calling Mercola “Mr Mercola” after Mercola whined about not being respectfully addressed with “Dr.” I lost all respect for both after that.

And sure I search the old forum all the time. I appreciate that he left it standing as long as he has.

@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes far from clear. I would not say Peat was wrong.

Did you read the paper? They were using radioactive iodine. Lugols and radioiodine are not the same.

@noodlecat59 No worries, it's not my creation. I'm just longtime active writer there. It's been invite only for 5 years and now they decided to open it up a bit.

@ThinPicking

I used to benefit a lot from green tea actually. Maybe I need to start drinking it again... Its the dose that is difficult. Sometimes I would put 4 teabags in a cup and drink it and feel good. Sometimes does nothing

Im also looking into functional B2 deficiency and molybdenum supplements which I am taking currently. That is related to GABA because of weird cascades in the body and all sorts.

I read about how molybdenum is needed to transport iron around the body. People with adhd have low brain iron and apparently amphetamine somehow fixes that????? But that seems like using a sledgehammer to put in tent pins

modern medicine is very forceful. peat is gentle. better for the body?

im going to keep doing what im doing for a week or two and come back. this may be it.

@Truth Nomane right? got banned for quoting someone else’s post and got banned on my other account for replying with somebody’s join date

@GreekDemiGod “forum supporters” are still being banned for simply saying milk is healthy and not being dogmatic.

@yerrag The turbines kill so many birds and bats. They're making people sick and causing farm animals to die. They shed pfas from blades that spin at speeds of 100 mph, and people need to learn about the dangers of "infrasound." NO ONE should be within 3 miles of those things. People want to move but their property values plummet so they're sick, broke, and stuck.

I do respect your opinions and experience, but will need to table theorizing about the viability of his strategies. I would however still like to hear from others who have read his book and tried out his recommendations.

Stumbled on this one from references in links in the Horseradish thread but didn't read beyond the abstract.

Tumor cell proliferation and cyclooxygenase inhibitory constituents in horseradish (Armoracia rusticana) and Wasabi (Wasabia japonica)

Abstract

Cyclooxygenase and human tumor cell growth inhibitory extracts of horseradish (Armoracia rusticana) and wasabi (Wasabia japonica) rhizomes upon purification yielded active compounds 1-3 from horseradish and 4 and 5 from wasabi rhizomes. Spectroscopic analyses confirmed the identities of these active compounds as plastoquinone-9 (1), 6-O-acyl-beta-d-glucosyl-beta-sitosterol (2), 1,2-dilinolenoyl-3-galactosylglycerol (3), linolenoyloleoyl-3-beta-galactosylglycerol (4), and 1,2-dipalmitoyl-3-beta-galactosylglycerol (5). 3-Acyl-sitosterols, sinigrin, gluconasturtiin, and phosphatidylcholines isolated from horseradish and alpha-tocopherol and ubiquinone-10 from wasabi rhizomes isolated were inactive in our assays. At a concentration of 60 microg/mL, compounds 1 and 2 selectively inhibited COX-1 enzyme by 28 and 32%, respectively. Compounds 3, 4, and 5 gave 75, 42, and 47% inhibition of COX-1 enzyme, respectively, at a concentration of 250 microg/mL. In a dose response study, compound 3 inhibited the proliferation of colon cancer cells (HCT-116) by 21.9, 42.9, 51.2, and 68.4% and lung cancer cells (NCI-H460) by 30, 39, 44, and 71% at concentrations of 7.5, 15, 30, and 60 microg/mL, respectively. At a concentration of 60 microg/mL, compound 4 inhibited the growth of colon, lung, and stomach cancer cells by 28, 17, and 44%, respectively. This is the first report of the COX-1 enzyme and cancer cell growth inhibitory monogalactosyl diacylglycerides from wasabi and horseradish rhizomes.

@Jojiswims I know what you're trying to say, but I believe that extremes beget extremes, and you're entertaining the other extreme even if you don't see it that way.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), St Paul and other letter writers didn't address societal problems in great detail. This means there is a lot of room for divergent beliefs amongst the common cause of Christ, and I have no problem with that of course -- but that's a two way street.

You share,

"There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus." Galatian 3:28

But, he says elsewhere:

"...act like men, be strong..." 1 Corinthians 16:13

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God." 1 Corinthians 11:14-16

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart." Ephesians 6:5

Plain contextualization would infer, as so by all serious scholars, that the Bible teaches us to ascribe to some unscientific albeit "natural" sexual and hierarchical norms that are apparently obvious. This seems to be the final Word of the Lord on the matter, until we enter heaven, where another hierarchy rules, that of Love -- "There is neither Jew nor Greek...".

All serious scholars acknowledge that Galatians 3:28 is speaking to the Spiritual realm. Don't dismiss or constrain a woman's gift from God to the church (such as the female Apostle listed in the new testament -- I even listen to female Preachers), don't keep someone of another race from offering something to advance the kingdom, etc. And, most of all, we are to view people of all stripe and flavor, with utmost regard as the Body of Jesus, even if we may have more power over them in a certain context.

"avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." Titus 3:9

"... not to occupy themselves with myths and endless genealogies that promote speculations rather than the divine training that is known by faith. But the aim of such instruction is love that comes from a pure heart, a good conscience, and sincere faith. Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk, desiring to be teachers of the law without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions." 1 Timothy 1:4

"whoever hates a brother or sister is in the darkness, walks in the darkness, and does not know the way to go, because the darkness has brought on blindness." 1 John 2:11

"I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35

You would have to convince your detractors that caring about the existence of their ethnicities/races, is a stupid controversy or genealogy (which was a preoccupation to find and ascribe spiritual advantage in Hebrew culture at the time), or convince them that they aren't loving a race, to desire to see their own flourish.

God himself wants every tribe and tongue to glorify him, not just English speaking Beige people from the final frontier of total and complete assimilation of every human variable:
"After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands..." Revelation 7:9

How you are stepping into extreme:
Clearly, the guy posting pro-Euro pics and memes who started this thread, is advancing what some aptly describe as "esoteric shitlerism," unfortunately combining the whites who love their race, with antagonism of other races. The infowars really write themselves...
This instantly puts a good thing under the heal with the prevailing narrative already overrepresented by every information sharing widget that makes it into mainstream audience viewing: whites who seek to preserve their races are evil nazis who want to enslave everyone they don't murder rape in gas chambers.

The truth is, the prevailing narrative, is very extreme. It's the very function by which whites are throwing away their culture, and love for self, to the point they Will go extinct if they don't make radical procreative choices in the next right now years.

So, your milquetoast love is love message, is pandering to a necessitated interracial marriage and procreation, if whites are to display their brotherly love of other races, and that is patently false. You should talk to Far Eastern indigenous peoples about these subjects some time -- you may be shocked by what you find. They consider it absolutely laughable for any race to position themselves for extinction, and consider it tragedy for whites to be doing so. The fact is, the 11th commandment, "if ye love me, intermarry my race" pounded into our brains from infancy, is a product of post-WW2 counter nazi propaganda, by our own CIA. That is not written anywhere in scripture.

NOTE: I am not saying it's wrong for people who have interracially married to do so, I'm saying that contra-beliefs and efforts to preserve one's race is not wrong, but can be good -- good or bad entirely built on the culture you're raised in, not intrinsic.

PS: your first pic expositing a beautiful black lady, was a black porn star, lol
PPS: I have no problem with all the races loving their own, and think pictures of their best and brightest, would be a great addition to an Aesthetics Dump!

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@Mauritio said in Methionine/Cysteine restriction increases longetivity AND energy expenditure:

anybody tried sodium selenite and selenomethionine and can compare them ?

*) Forms of sélénium
The forms of selenium exist in 3 major forms:

Yeast Sodium (selenite or selenate) Amine acid (Selenio-Methionine or Cysteine).
Selenate or seleno-methionine (SM) are generally found on the market. Specialists classify the Se in two main categories: organic and inorganic. The inorganic salts would be supposed to be less well absorbed by the tissues. If we only refer to SM and Selenate, this is not really true, as several studies have shown it. (4)
*) Biodisponibility
The degree of absorption of selenite is less, but sufficient, of the order of +/ 50 to 60 % against 75 % for selenomethionine. (2)
What form is the best?
Selenium in any form whatsoever, that it comes from food or supplements, organic or inorganic, is used by the body for the synthesis of selenoproteins after being first metabolized in hydrogen selene, selenium cellular storage. The surplus of selenium is converted into methylated metabolites and excreted by urine and breath. Excessive accumulation of hydrogen selenial can cause its oxidation, resulting in the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) resulting in oxidative toxic effects in the body. (o)
All forms of selenium are well absorbed, but the absorption of selenomethionine is the best. They use the same active transport mechanism as for methionine, one of the 9 essential amino acids which can only be obtained by food, which increases the effectiveness of absorption of selenomethionine compared to the inorganic forms of the selenium.
*) Recommended Daily Supply
Currently recommended nutritional supply (RDA) in adults is 55 micrograms/day. Daily needs are 55 mcg (AJR). 1 mcg /kg of weight is optimal. Diet (1) provides around 50 % of needs if you eat meat or legumes. A single nut from Brazil / Amazon covers needs (…). In the event of pathology / detox, 200 - 300 mcg can be prescribed punctually. “Too Much of A Good Thing is Bad!”
=> Selenium supplementation should not be taken every day (half-life). Except in particular cases, in the event of a detox for example, therefore punctually (2 to 300 mcg per day, in detox cure). But in this case, a contribution of curcumin would be desirable to reduce hepatic toxicity due to the impact on dehydrogenase enzymes. Taking different forms of selenium is interesting, especially in the event of cancer prevention (recurrence). If you exceed +/ 100 mcg/ L in the blood serum, you impact the operation of certain dehydrogenase enzymes, especially required in the Krebs cycle.
*) More details on this post, with sources and references.
Selenium: Too much of a good thing is bad. Forms and enzymes
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1953-selenium-too-much-of-a-good-thing-is-bad#27971 (in French ) translator needed but with references from studies in English)

Sources et Références
0) Toxicité hépatique due à l’impact sur les enzymes déshydrogénases
Rôle protecteur de la curcumine
Protective effect of curcumin during selenium induced toxicity on dehydrogenases in hepatic tissue. 2005
PMID: 15881869
Selenium administration resulted in a marked decrease in the activity levels of the liver succinate dehydrogenase, malate dehydrogenase, and lactate dehydrogenase while pyruvate dehydrogenase increased significantly.
2) http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs/water-eau/selenium/index-fra.php
Avec références d'études.

@metabolicmilk what other results are you getting?

Seems like an interesting project. Can I ask why it's so expensive for you to run?

wat I was just trying to help

@Amazoniac said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:

@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:

@LucH said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:

@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:

There is no time frame recommended on that post for K2 to be taken before the D3. I was taking calcium acetate an hour before the D3. Do you have any thoughts on that before time frame?

well, I use logics:
1° you've understood why K2 has to be taken before A D3 K1 and K2 supplement, since K2 activates the dependent lipoproteins.
2. We need fats to assimilate lipoproteins. 35 g is required for vit K. Assimilation is proportional to the amount of fat.
So the time required is given by the digestive process. Roughly said 3 hours for fats but it could take more time if you get digestive problems, like a lack of enzymes or a lack of acidity to digest proteins.
3° Conclusion:

Most of the time, I take K2 at breakfast.

When there is no cheese or ham (e.g.) I add 6-8 macadamia nuts. Not enough but it's OK.
At midday, I take Vit D3 5.000 UI.
Note: Once a week I begin with retinol 10 000 UI at breakfast, and K2 at midday, and D3 at supper. I should have begun with K2.
When I use tocopherols (2x/wk) I take a softgel (400 UI mixed toco) with a snack (low level of fat needed) if there is a problem.
Note: to be perfect: I should take K2 MK4 twice a day (half-life of type MK4 is shorter than MK7).
Mind with the type MK7: very fragile (oxidation). 3 months delay if not well encapsulated and protected with e.g. rosmarinus

Thank you LucH, for all the detail. I do only take K2 MK4, MK7 gives me heart issues. Wow, that is quite a bit of fat — 35 grams. I do remember Haidut recommending at least 14g of fat with fat soluble vitamins.

I see you don't mention taking calcium. Is that the case, that you don't supplement calcium along with A, D, and K2?

You can try to compensate for the lower absorption with a higher dose or through repetition. It's fine to waste some of it because it's what happens when vitamin K is obtained from plants. You'll be taking it in purified form, not having to deal with the food matrix. In this case, little fat is enough to make a difference.

Effect of dietary fat content on oral bioavailability of menatetrenone in humans

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Note how the response to vitamin K with the lowest amount of fat in the meal was far from null and close to that with the average amount.

You may also stimulate bile discharge or supplement it:

Porcine bile acids promote the utilization of fat and vitamin A under low-fat diets

To rely on topical supplementation is an option as well.

Hello Amazoniac, and thank you. Glad to see you've found yourself a Ray Peat forum again, after banishment by The Lion.

This is interesting, though, that the larger fat intake definitely potentiates the K2, or so the chart shows.

And your last comment is helpful, as I was wondering if the fat content would be unnecessary with topical application. Maybe even with topical it could be argued that consuming fat would help. Just a thought.

@Mauritio

yeah I guess so. This stuff is confusing you know. My tests all come back normal for the most part. TSH 0.4 and good T4 and T3 yet I feel a swollen thyroid. Wtf

@sharko said in Ashkenazi jew ahh looking coworker made fun of me for peating:

@Ecstatic_Hamster Exactly. I don't just run the world. I do this even while I have loans to the Jewish Bank

Well our Rothschild overlords will be pleased.

Charlie is now attacking methylene blue check out his latest "Methylene Blue is Toxic Poison...Destroying Livers & Brains"

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/methylene-blue-is-toxic-poison-destroying-livers-brains.52772/

This guy really has lost his mind. I think he is bitter that his health did not improve following what he perceived to be a ray peat diet so he is now basically burnign down anything that he sees as in anyway related to it.

Really quite sad.

To answer his question, because it's low hanging fruit and a distraction for a finger wagging mob.

Maybe I'll do this on twitter, thanks.