@natureman
@LetTheRedeemed it's just brainwashing.... from stories, books, movies, art.
"Well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man."
A paranoic hallucination of a being in a setting where there's no influence from our society would be something resembling another animal/human, because that's the only thing that would scare us.
Maybe the natural realm is a shadow of the supernatural realm? That's a typical Christian belief, after all. Would you expect a 2D being (could it possibly exist) to have a reasonable interpretation of a 3D world outside its context? And it would be completely reasonable for the 3D being to create concepts on the 2D canvas, drawing inspiration from the nature in his dimension. I'm not saying I'm right. But, the mainstream answers seem contritely thought terminating -- in the face of true childlike curiosity.
That leads me back to my confounding questions:
*I don’t think this explains seeing a spiritual being, well defined, plain as day in the daytime. Or two people seeing the same thing at the same time. Or a human being physically harmed by one. Or a picture of it -- a friend showed me a picture they snapped of a dragon with a rat tail and bat's head and wings in the sky above his friends - this was not interpreting a funky clowd+shadow formation...
If one stepped into a field and saw this, as is, it would be real, plain as day... (I can only assume you're thinking I'm describing the shadow/blurry images common where people extrapolate what it must be).
I think assuming everything is programming takes individuality and agency from individuals. I mean, I saw a demon right in front of me, every detail, and had no context for that kind of imagery before. I never before thought they had hair, and I never saw an animal that could portray that kind of predator imagery or induce such fear at the same time -- I never had that kind of fear of an animal.
My friend, in broad daylight, saw a muscle bound demon, 6ft3in, in his sister's bedroom, when it saw him, it freaked out and disappeared. He prayed for it to leave and then told his sister what he saw. it turns out his sister was seeing it nightly but thought family wouldn't believe her. She would just burry her face in the pillow til she fell asleep. My bro was hanging with a good friend in their car, talking about things of the Lord, and one passed a gum container to the other, and accidentally dropped it, but then it floated up into the hand of the other guy... they both just busted out with deep belly-laughing for 10 minutes. When I was 13-14, I was taken to a different church by my sister one night with a prophetess speaking over people's lives -- I wasn't comfortable with it, and I also had never been exposed to that kind of stuff before. That didn't stop a 2 week cyst from falling off my nose into my hand and then disappeared! I went to the bathroom to check in the mirror, and it was gone -- pink skin, zero bump or pain; the spot on my nose looked perfect. There's more.
Letheredeemed wrote his own proof: "Only religious people have visions of angels. These visions are based on depicitions. These depicitions were initially comissioned by the ruling class. You think the famous paintings and statues are just things that independent artists made for themselves?"
That wasn't supposed to be proof, per se, but food for thought -- a point raised to ask, "why?"
I don't mind being proven wrong on any count; my God is big enough to defend himself, and He will prove what he needs to to me... but I don't hear earnest inquiry that would at least say, "I don't know," just theories that are portrayed as fact. I think if there's one thing you're missing, not logic or proof, I believe it's a comprehensive, all encompassing love from another dimension, that can't be described with human words, and makes everything else feel trivial. I believe you can have that, now.