@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko Gotta agree with Gentle Potato. These comments are presumptuous and offensive:

This is not suitable for bioenergetic research. Instead, it would have been more appropriate to look in depth at why it works differently than other methods, as some have done here.

And, to say that for 20 years you did everything according to Ray Peat and nothing worked the way this protocol works, is a bit of an understatement, when in practice you simply didn't study the science he revealed to us in enough depth.

I have all of Dr Peat's books, and many of his newsletters (and have read them all). He even says women who had migraines in their teens will likely go into irreversible decline at menopause. This would be me. He doesn't provide a solution for this, so I just keep looking. Dr. Peat would approve.

I was in such a low state, my body was crumbling from the inside. I would not have been able to get out of this without additional substances, beyond nutrition.

For example, have you used something that strongly inhibits serotonin and estrogen, like cypro?

Anyway, pure glucose is very interesting! But maybe it's not right to go all-in according to the protocol and instead, carefully integrate it as part of a complete treatment, while understanding the implications.

I believe that pushing a weak body more amounts of glucose than it is able to burn regularly, can come with many risks such as blood vessel leakage, kidney damage, excessive blood thinning and more.

Glucose is one of the most protective components in the body, beyond its use as the main fuel and maybe it is so magical that it can also help to repair the damage caused by its load in the blood, but maybe not...

Science gives us estimates about the amount of glucose that the body can use effectively when it is in an optimal state, but if a person has a very fatty liver and most of his cells burn fat, the numbers are much lower and to find them out, you have to use measurements of sugar in the blood or urine.

Could you move this discussion to another thread in the forum please? Thank you.

@sharko said

I'm afraid it's because I don't speak English and it comes out crooked. I got it and I didn't mean to

Good to know! Kudos for your efforts!

@sharko Gotta agree with Gentle Potato. These comments are presumptuous and offensive:

This is not suitable for bioenergetic research. Instead, it would have been more appropriate to look in depth at why it works differently than other methods, as some have done here.

And, to say that for 20 years you did everything according to Ray Peat and nothing worked the way this protocol works, is a bit of an understatement, when in practice you simply didn't study the science he revealed to us in enough depth.

I have all of Dr Peat's books, and many of his newsletters (and have read them all). He even says women who had migraines in their teens will likely go into irreversible decline at menopause. This would be me. He doesn't provide a solution for this, so I just keep looking. Dr. Peat would approve.

@Ecstatic_Hamster Thank you for the report. I'm really trying to figure out why our temps have responded well while others' haven't. It's so odd that my husband and I have had the same rise in temp. Neither of us were on thyroid when this happened. (We take a tiny bit now.) Such a mystery.

@gentlepotato said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

I saw your messages and the truth is that they made me feel that my message was not selective enough, but in my opinion these are the main messages that linked Ray's research to the story seriously.

In any case, I mainly referred to the preoccupation with asking the doctor's opinion and waiting for new "scientific" knowledge that he will publish, as if looking to replace a deep understanding of how the organism works, with a beautiful story that does not require much mental effort.

There is nothing new under the sun. As I wrote in the previous message, 100 years ago they already knew that the wasting disease could be treated with rice and he distilled it into glucose, but he invented unscientific theories that people are waiting to hear about, instead of understanding that the whole story here is a more accurate distillation of fuel that does not have to go through obstacles on the way and can work in a way Similar with white rice in most cases, like 100 years ago.

Today, apparently, glucose has a greater advantage than rice compared to the past, because there were no intestinal and other problems in the past like there are today.

And yet, this is only a small part of the complete puzzle of the metabolism.

Sure, everyone is this thread knows it's just a small part of the complete puzzle.

Anyone exploring or curious about exploring glucose are very welcome to hypothesize, share and ask questions; but if you are not and you're just here to lecture us on how to go about our explorations, and being selective about who you think are "seriously linking" glucose to RP, I'm for one not interested in your take.

Honestly comes across as weird to be so opinionated about it when you're not exploring glucose that you show up in this thread. I appreciate people sharing their explorations and hypothesis' even when they're different from mine, and when something doesn't resonate I just scroll past. I recommend you try it.

I absolutely agree with you here. I blocked some people early on because they just weren't being helpful (IMO). This is an experiment. The goal was to have people join in and report about their own experiences. If I could rename the thread I would. I'm afraid the title chosen may be triggering to some...maybe it should have been "Glucose Is Necessary for Healing" or something similar.

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko Are you under the age of 50?

Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.

And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.

I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.

First of all, this is amazing and happy to hear!

I was only exposed to him about 10 years ago, but I didn't save myself by applying Ray Peat's principles, I did it by learning how the systems work, how the situation can be changed with diet, lifestyle and especially synthetic substances, vitamins, Minerals, hormones and other special substances.

People get confused thinking that diet and lifestyle can be sufficient to repair decades of damage and while living under stress in a toxic environment in most cases.

I have played with my hormones, vitamins, minerals, neurotransmitters and more probably thousands of times to this day, to understand how things work precisely in the brain and the rest of the body.

The glucose thing is really something that allows us to understand the picture a little better and find more effective ways to get out of difficult situations. But there is no way that alone is enough.

Look at how the doctor and others who apply the protocol and present successes look like - a fat and not fit body does not show an optimal metabolism, no matter what they tell me, this cannot be the case and if the metabolism is not optimal - there are problems. We also need to know how to check temperature and pulse for it to be reliable. It's not necessarily that simple.

To reach such abilities, the genius Ray Peat is not enough, you also need a lot of effective and precise practice that can be learned from people like Georgy Dinkov and others.

By the way, people like to look at people who claim to understand how the body works and how to bring it to an optimal state. I also did it now in the message, but there is a small difference:

When the doctor says that all it takes to cure so many problems is glucose, then he has no excuse not to look optimal.

But it's different in the case of people like Ray and Georgy because they were experimenting all the time and didn't claim that no matter what their condition was, they could take more glucose and it would be fine.

All these people, use their brains non-stop on research and solving complex problems (the organ that consumes the most glucose in the body) and this accelerates the aging process, even if you manage to maintain it at the highest levels with precise additions - but in the case of the doctor this is not relevant, because he Says you only need an addition of glucose and everything works out...

I think you misunderstand his work. He says you provide the macros first (mainly glucose and protein), and see where you are after the initial trial period. Then you can start adding whatever micro nutrients are needed, which some find are less than needed pre-glucose.

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko Are you under the age of 50?

Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.

And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.

I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.

@sharko Are you under the age of 50?

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

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Can you provide research on the dangers of non-radioactive iodine? Have you read the paper I posted on the faulty tests and subsequent inaccurate conclusions drawn from those tests?

I don't like "research war". A fundamental logical picture is required to understand the full picture.

This is beyond the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, the potential to inhibit the TPO enzyme, the potential for inflammation, goiter and even cancer due to excess iodine.

Iodine is mainly relevant to the gland but not to other processes such as the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.

In most cases, problems with the gland itself exist in women and specifically in pregnant women, since the leading cause of damage to the gland is high estrogen and low progesterone. As well as intestinal problems that lead to endotoxin that can damage the gland, TSH which itself worsens the damage to the gland and more.

In my country, there is much less iodine in food and water and there is no obligation to add iodine to salt and water like in the USA.

I started fixing my body from half a foot in the grave with a temperature of 35 degrees and a heart rate of 47 and today 10 years later I am in better health than ever, I have never used iodine to improve the function of the gland and thyroid hormones.

Does your government add toxic fluoride to the water supply as it does in the US? Fluoride displaces iodine. Bromide is another chemical used in food preparation that will displace iodine.

https://drsflink.com/blog/5322-iodine-and-your-health

@yerrag I think you haven't read the research provided by Dr Stephens. But you may find it interesting that when I told him I had gained weight on high doses of glucose he said my body wasn't handling the glucose properly. So I think he would agree with you, at least in part. I DO tend to have high lactic acid (fibromyalgia). I have cut back on glucose for now, but still using it in place of sugar (about 70 to 100 grams a day).

I do think I need to find a way to use glucose more efficiently. Being over 50 is a real game changer. I usually don't take health advice from young people who don't have the same challenges, but most people I know who are my age and older are struggling. My husband is the exception, but he has always been very healthy.

So in conclusion, I believe that glucose in the context of an already healthy liver and good metabolism is helpful. I haven't yet decided if it is helpful to me since I may not have experimented long enough (due to weight gain).