@lobotomize-me this is an example of the “behavior” that I was referencing. First, I’m not sure what a Ray Peat practitioner is exactly, but let’s say it’s a Georgi, (gainfully employed IT personnel with a successful side hustle) or Danny, (teleconferencing with clients from Mexico and homesteading). I think Smith in his ignorance, (and I don’t mean to demean him when I say this, I think he just doesn’t get it) is essentially trying to suggest that choosing your own path is somehow less-than some other way of being/subsisting.

Peat’s work can only lead to you essentially dropping out of “polite” society. It’s kind of an end point goal, lol.

@lobotomize-me yeah, before the name change it was called the Ray Peat Forum

I’ve been successful, (I’ve replicated this experiment twice now) with a diet of milk and honey or milk and dextrose all day, and a “normal” dinner, small evening snack, and a warm chocolate milk before bed.

I have a decent caloric intake, (though I don’t track it anymore really) at about 3200-4000 calories depending on activity level that day.

Two years ago I lost 20lbs over about 4-6 months time, and this year, (currently using this strategy) I’ve lost 20lbs again, (this time over about 3-4 months).

I always drink my milk warm, usually about 16oz, and add two tablespoons of honey. For breakfast I use dextrose for its ability to replenish glycogen. After lifting weights I also rely on dextrose, (I do that three times a week).

Many people have trouble with hunger on fruit and juice til dinner diets, but the milk is quite easy, (at least for me) and I get to eat whatever I want from 5pm-8pm, (dinner and my snack- which is usually raw cheddar, a fruit, and some sourdough crackers or bread).

I think it’s just the Randle cycle. My milk is skim so I just don’t eat fat til dinner. Then I eat some fat and return to protein/carbs only.

I knew this was a Garrett Smith video before clicking the link. You could have a look at the “other forum” and see how things went with Smith’s work over there… (it wasn’t pretty). But ask yourself this: if you have nutrition all figured out, but you act the was Smith does, do you want that “health?”

@Mauritio thanks for the update. Looking forward to when you have the opportunity to do more!

@eduardo-crispino I just use Nutricost. It’s non-GMO and relatively cheap. I’m sure there are better options but it’s been a godsend for me.

@Mauritio how’s this experiment going? I’m interested in hearing your observations when you have a moment.

I have a slightly different take on this, (and I believe it’s why it’s sustainable for me). I drink warm milk with honey or dextrose all day. Then, I eat a “normal” dinner, at 5pm and a “normal” snack at 8pm, (the times are irrelevant, that’s just when I can fit those meals in). I then return to milk and honey around 9pm before heading for bed around 10. I try to sleep til 6-7am, (totally dependent on kids).

This way I get the chewing fix for dinner and I get some fats in. I have a separate theory that the key to weight loss at high nutrition and calories is not engaging the Randle cycle. As such, I drink skim milk with my honey or dextrose all day, (so there is no fat during the day).

I think Peat himself said ashwaganda was serotonergic, (I know you said you aren’t currently taking it). The porn and masturbation are for sure causing issues, but the issue isnt so much that you’re engaging in that, (without end-point gratification mind you-which is a whole separate issue potentially) but rather porn and masturbation are a symptom, (again, like the meticulous logging of food and supplements) of what seems, (to me) sky high serotonin. You are trying to control everything in your life, (down to denying yourself ejaculation because of a potential negative outcome).

This is not what you want to hear, but if you’re not having fun playing soccer you should quit. It sounds like your life is totally devoid of joy. I don’t say this lightly, I say it as someone who had a similar experience playing competitive sports. I now wish I never played sports, and believe strongly that my time spent playing them caused most of the health issues I have today, (but more so, my playing sports in the first place was a symptom itself of my lack of energetic living). I hope you find your happiness, whatever that is for you. I have, and it took me til I was about 40. I hope you don’t have to wait so long. Be well.

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