For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?
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@sunsunsun said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
- whatever fresh fruits are available for a good price
- cooked greens such as kale, bok choy, spinach
- raw capsicum and raw cabbage
- soy sauce
- eggshells
this all costs approx $15-$20 CAD per day for 3000+ calories.
the skim milk powder is optional. fgf21maxxing requires low protein. the rice actually has a decent amount of protein too, so drop that for faster fatloss.
Nice, thanks for some of the extra ideas. I didn't really think about fruit jams and stuff. We use the same brand of powdered milk haha.
Yeah the rice I calculated to be at around 5-6 grams of protein per cup...that's cooked. So if you get a cup of dry rice and cook it, you'll end up with about 3 cups of cooked rice. If you ate all that you'd get like 15-17 grams of protein. So it adds up.
Actually one food I've been eating that I forgot to list was glass noodles. They're really good and versatile. Almost pure starch and no protein. A better alternative to rice if you're trying to keep the protein lower.
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@sunsunsun Yeah, at least that's what some account said on X. Take it with a grain of salt. One teaspoon of coconut oil would probably be enough to get the benefits.
I have tried more lenient versions of this, where the protein is still kept LOW but being a little more liberal with the fats. That actually didn't feel bad for me either. Better than high carb, moderate protein, and low fat. But I have noticed a pretty drastic mental boost from just dropping the fats even lower.
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@Mulloch94 good because coconut oil makes white rice taste really good
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I think I’m having symptoms of fructose malabsorption on fruit till noon/ honey diet. Cramps, softer and liquid stool, un digested pieces of fruit in stool.
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@GreekDemiGod said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
I think I’m having symptoms of fructose malabsorption on fruit till noon/ honey diet. Cramps, softer and liquid stool, un digested pieces of fruit in stool.
Ditch the honey and just use cane sugar. I don't really do the honey diet, nor if someone were to ask me would I even recommend it. I think there's too many pitfalls. Everything from that fasting window in the late afternoon to gorging out on protein in your evening meal (he said 1lb of beef for an example I think).
Just eat sugar frequently and consistently throughout the day, occasionally sprinkling in protein to meet your requirements. If fat really "burns in the flame of carbohydrate" then all the backloading of protein and fat at dinner would potentially offset any benefits, especially if you got into this for weight loss purposes.
Weight maintenance might actually require a slight increase in fat or protein. Still probably not like a pound of beef. 1 pound of 93% lean hamburger is going to be like 95 grams of protein and 34 grams of fat. Eating that much protein in one sitting would be crazy, lol. It's all basically going through gluconeogenesis. Which is increasing glucagon, cortisol, prolactin, possibly even serotonin & estrogen.
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what i noticed with this diet is the total absence of abdominal swelling. very flat stomach!
with proteins and fats i increase the swelling.
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@visalibero said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
what i noticed with this diet is the total absence of abdominal swelling. very flat stomach!
with proteins and fats i increase the swelling.
what could be the cause?!I don't really know. Could be a hundred different things. Maybe the added protein and fat is increasing visceral bodyfat. Maybe when you remove them your cortisol drops and your get more sensitive to insulin (this part is almost certainly happening). Maybe because the liver isn't having to waste time turning protein into glucose it can detoxify endotoxin better, creating a flat belly. Maybe dietary fats are simply pulling too many endotoxins into the blood causing inflammation. Or maybe there really is something to FGF21, and it's "browning" all your belly fat.
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@TexugoDoMel lol at the t3 levels on low protein rats. just crazy
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@TexugoDoMel @sunsunsun Look at the weight at the livers as well. That's perhaps the most remarkable thing. They weigh less, which likely means it burned a lot of fat off the livers, leaning them out.
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@sunsunsun said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
@TexugoDoMel lol at the t3 levels on low protein rats. just crazy
It's quite common to find T3 levels 2x or 3x higher in low-protein animals. You don't actually need to eat low total protein, you can get the same results (or in my opinion, even better) just by restricting methionine and cysteine.
MR = Methionine(and cysteine) restricted
@Mulloch94 said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
@TexugoDoMel @sunsunsun Look at the weight at the livers as well. That's perhaps the most remarkable thing. They weigh less, which likely means it burned a lot of fat off the livers, leaning them out.
It can backfire if used for long periods, diets deficient in sulfur amino acids (methionine, cysteine, taurine) are common to induce fatty liver in experiments, but other components probably play a role.
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@TexugoDoMel said in For those of you FGF21maxxing or otherwise eating low protein, what are you eating?:
It can backfire if used for long periods, diets deficient in sulfur amino acids (methionine, cysteine, taurine) are common to induce fatty liver in experiments, but other components probably play a role.
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Yeah phospholipid synthesis and VLDL assembly would be crucial to prevent fatty liver. I may start supplementing inositol. That would take care of the former, the latter is something choline is needed for, but if you eat like any nonfat dairy or maybe an egg you could probably get enough. One egg only has like 5 or 6 grams of fat if you cook it without oil.
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One thing I've noticed eating this way is it's VERY easy to meet the Ca/P balance. When I cut my protein in half nearly, I started noticing at least on cronometer that I'm eating roughly 1g less of phosphorus everyday.
