Ray Peat - quack or genius?
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WARNING: POST IS LIKELY INAUTHENTIC AND MACHINE WRITTEN
So, I've been diving into Ray Peat's ideas lately, and while they're kinda fascinating, there are some things that got me raising an eyebrow. Let's chat about it:
First off, there's the lack of fancy peer-reviewed studies backing up most of what he says. I mean, anecdotal stories are cool, but they don't quite cut it when it comes to solid scientific evidence.
Then there's the whole "load up on carbs, especially fruits and dairy" thing. It's a bit out there, considering we've got tons of research showing that too many carbs can lead to issues like insulin problems and weight gain.
And speaking of one-size-fits-all, sometimes it feels like his approach doesn't really jive with the fact that we're all different. Our bodies react differently to foods and hormones, and his one-size-fits-all approach might not work for everyone.
Plus, his take on hormones can be pretty simplified. Hormones are like a crazy web of connections, and Peat's theories sometimes make it sound like it's a straight line.
Lastly, the whole "dairy is the bomb" thing doesn't really address the ethical and environmental side of things. In today's world, where we're all about sustainable choices and animal welfare, that's a pretty big missing piece.
So, what's your take on all this? How do you reckon we should balance the interesting stuff in Peat's theories with these concerns? Let's chat!
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Where exactly are you reading? Start with articles on raypeat.com
His own words, plenty of citations -
@TuxedoGondola Many of those posts are not peer-reviewed and are outdated. His own articles haven't been reviewed by any academic source, so it's hard to confirm if they're scientifically valid
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@newmexico as opposed to what ?
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@newmexico your post and analysis does not seem to have been peer-review either, curious
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@newmexico Exactly. I highly doubt Ray Peats authenticity.
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@newmexico
Ray taught us to balance everything
milk with OJ
beef with gelatine
carbs with proteins and SFA fats, etc.He also said to limit protein, carbs, and fats according to one needs.
His main message was to listen to your body's needs and constantly analyze and adapt i.e. Perceive. Think. Act.
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How are carbs supposed to cause problems with insulin and weight gain? Explain.
Peat relies primarily on hard academic physiology. And this is a sufficient argument for the validity of his theses. All of his claims are supported by the literature. I am a medical student, and I consider most of his theses to be factually correct.
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@newmexico Something about this screams ChatGPT trying to sound human. Same with this post by "honest_skeptic." It's either a troll (Charlie-fueled, perhaps) or a low-energy rehash of clichés, in which case I would recommend having some sugary milk and browsing raypeat.com.
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@Fructose Ray Peats conclusions and advice seems to me to be a case of extrapolating from basic science to full-out clinical observations, which is often a big mistake. It's the same reason why people think antioxidants are good for you--they claim that, because on the cellular level oxidative stress can result in some damage, things that reduce free radicals must therefore be good. They fail to address the fact that free radicals may be good for other things (they have roles in cell signalling, for example).
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@Kvirion High sugar intake has been associated with various health issues, including weight gain, dental problems, and an increased risk of metabolic conditions like diabetes.
Same goes for high-carb diets. Sorry not sorry! -
@newmexico
I’m far from mastering this material, but I try to incorporate interventions where I dont have much to lose (ie avoiding linoleic acid and other PUFA, avoiding emulsifying food additives, monitoring body temp) and try to get feedback from how I feel/bloodwork. If it’s with your own body, anecdotal evidence often suffices -
@honest_skeptic Maybe you're right. Although most of his theses are not really made out of thin air, and although some of his statements may be some kind of extrapolation, I do not consider this to be a significant problem. Ray Peat told us to "Perceive, Think, Act". Which we also do.
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@newmexico This is some bullshit. When your sink gets clogged, do you blame the water?
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It's good to listen to your body! The food industry is putting a lot of crazy things into the foods nowadays, so I try my best to avoid certain types of foods too, but certain essential fatty acids like omega-3, -6 are necessary (it's in the name), because our bodies don't produce them; they're involved in various physiological processes, including maintaining cell membrane structure, reducing inflammation, and supporting heart and brain health
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@impero
You’re right, based on this post OP made in that threadnewmexico
9 minutes ago@honest_skeptic Yeah!!!! That's exactly my experience. The ray peat diet got me sent to INTENSIVE CARE and the hospital for a MONTH!! People who follow his work blindly are like sheep, it's unbelievvable
Just exploring, or sent to ICU? We are wasting time on a troll
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@TuxedoGondola Please don't disrespect my experience like that. I didn't want to make this thread about me, so I didnt mention it in the original post... my experience with the "Ray Peat diet" has been absolutely horrible and I documented that in a separate post. If you want to strawman arguments, go to a different forum
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@newmexico Although DHA (omega 3 fatty acid) may be essential at the level of biochemistry and molecular biology, omega 6 acids are absolutely not. The body produces mead acid, an anti-inflammatory substitute for linoleic acid.
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@newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:
@Kvirion High sugar intake has been associated with various health issues, including weight gain, dental problems, and an increased risk of metabolic conditions like diabetes.
Same goes for high-carb diets. Sorry not sorry!Ray never asked for high sugar intake, only for a level adequate for one's need - no more than 400 for an average person IIRC. He also advised to never eat sugar alone but with proteins, etc.
If the level of your thyroid is optimal and you have proper hygiene, your teeth will be fine regardless of sugar....
Ray's advice is systemic i.e. one needs to take care of the whole metabolism pathways...
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@newmexico Many things that have "essential" in their names, does that make them essential? Have you read all of Peat's articles?