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    Ray Peat - quack or genius?

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    • FructoseF
      Fructose
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      How are carbs supposed to cause problems with insulin and weight gain? Explain.

      Peat relies primarily on hard academic physiology. And this is a sufficient argument for the validity of his theses. All of his claims are supported by the literature. I am a medical student, and I consider most of his theses to be factually correct.

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        impero @newmexico
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        @newmexico Something about this screams ChatGPT trying to sound human. Same with this post by "honest_skeptic." It's either a troll (Charlie-fueled, perhaps) or a low-energy rehash of clichés, in which case I would recommend having some sugary milk and browsing raypeat.com.

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          honest_skeptic @Fructose
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          @Fructose Ray Peats conclusions and advice seems to me to be a case of extrapolating from basic science to full-out clinical observations, which is often a big mistake. It's the same reason why people think antioxidants are good for you--they claim that, because on the cellular level oxidative stress can result in some damage, things that reduce free radicals must therefore be good. They fail to address the fact that free radicals may be good for other things (they have roles in cell signalling, for example).

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            newmexico @Kvirion
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            @Kvirion High sugar intake has been associated with various health issues, including weight gain, dental problems, and an increased risk of metabolic conditions like diabetes. 🙃 Same goes for high-carb diets. Sorry not sorry!

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              TuxedoGondola @newmexico
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              @newmexico
              I’m far from mastering this material, but I try to incorporate interventions where I dont have much to lose (ie avoiding linoleic acid and other PUFA, avoiding emulsifying food additives, monitoring body temp) and try to get feedback from how I feel/bloodwork. If it’s with your own body, anecdotal evidence often suffices

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              • FructoseF
                Fructose @honest_skeptic
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                @honest_skeptic Maybe you're right. Although most of his theses are not really made out of thin air, and although some of his statements may be some kind of extrapolation, I do not consider this to be a significant problem. Ray Peat told us to "Perceive, Think, Act". Which we also do.

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                • FructoseF
                  Fructose @newmexico
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                  @newmexico This is some bullshit. When your sink gets clogged, do you blame the water?

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                    newmexico @newmexico
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                    It's good to listen to your body! The food industry is putting a lot of crazy things into the foods nowadays, so I try my best to avoid certain types of foods too, but certain essential fatty acids like omega-3, -6 are necessary (it's in the name), because our bodies don't produce them; they're involved in various physiological processes, including maintaining cell membrane structure, reducing inflammation, and supporting heart and brain health

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                      TuxedoGondola @impero
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                      @impero
                      You’re right, based on this post OP made in that thread

                      newmexico
                      9 minutes ago

                      @honest_skeptic Yeah!!!! That's exactly my experience. The ray peat diet got me sent to INTENSIVE CARE and the hospital for a MONTH!! People who follow his work blindly are like sheep, it's unbelievvable

                      Just exploring, or sent to ICU? We are wasting time on a troll

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                        newmexico @TuxedoGondola
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                        @TuxedoGondola Please don't disrespect my experience like that. I didn't want to make this thread about me, so I didnt mention it in the original post... my experience with the "Ray Peat diet" has been absolutely horrible and I documented that in a separate post. If you want to strawman arguments, go to a different forum

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                        • FructoseF
                          Fructose @newmexico
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                          @newmexico Although DHA (omega 3 fatty acid) may be essential at the level of biochemistry and molecular biology, omega 6 acids are absolutely not. The body produces mead acid, an anti-inflammatory substitute for linoleic acid.

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                            Kvirion @newmexico
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                            @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

                            @Kvirion High sugar intake has been associated with various health issues, including weight gain, dental problems, and an increased risk of metabolic conditions like diabetes. 🙃 Same goes for high-carb diets. Sorry not sorry!

                            Ray never asked for high sugar intake, only for a level adequate for one's need - no more than 400 for an average person IIRC. He also advised to never eat sugar alone but with proteins, etc.

                            If the level of your thyroid is optimal and you have proper hygiene, your teeth will be fine regardless of sugar....

                            Ray's advice is systemic i.e. one needs to take care of the whole metabolism pathways...

                            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                            There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                            And drinking largely sobers us again.
                            ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                              Fructose @newmexico
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                              @newmexico Many things that have "essential" in their names, does that make them essential? Have you read all of Peat's articles?

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                                gugenmungus @TuxedoGondola
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                                @TuxedoGondola He made a thread about him eating 12 eggs a day and a ton of carrot juice. Idk how that has anything to do with Peat

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                                  newmexico @Kvirion
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                                  @Kvirion That is pretty level-headed, though I'd say the 400 is arbitrary and would need some sources. That's quite a lot, for sure. Really if you maintain a properly balanced diet, based on mainstream nutritional guidelines you'll be fine. Not sure why people try these fringe fads, always ends horribly, but I do agree with noticing how you feel!

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                                  • KvirionK
                                    Kvirion @newmexico
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                                    @newmexico
                                    BTW you may read my article that things like Ray's advice (e.g. sugar) shouldn't be taken out of context...
                                    https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/39/ray-approach-as-real-science?_=1706571500032

                                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                      newmexico @Kvirion
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                                      @Kvirion Your post is intriguing, not sure how to make solid judgments without specific empirical evidence and proper scientific studies. You'd need to run trials, et cetera

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                                      • FructoseF
                                        Fructose @newmexico
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                                        @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

                                        @Kvirion That is pretty level-headed, though I'd say the 400 is arbitrary and would need some sources. That's quite a lot, for sure. Really if you maintain a properly balanced diet, based on mainstream nutritional guidelines you'll be fine. Not sure why people try these fringe fads, always ends horribly, but I do agree with noticing how you feel!

                                        A diet based on the guidelines issued by nutritional and dietary centers in my country led me to Crohn's disease and hormonal imbalance.

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                                          newmexico @Fructose
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                                          @Fructose that is probably due to a poor diet and genetics/genetic mutation in the family, unfortunately. I was fine when I ate normal NHS-approved food, but when I tried the RPD it destroyed me quite badly (previously mentioned)

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                                          • KvirionK
                                            Kvirion @Fructose
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                                            @Fructose Me too...

                                            Then I was on keto and IF but had a lot of issues...

                                            Ray Peat's advice saved my life probably 🙂
                                            Now I feel something like 10-15 years younger and my IBS, brain fog, fatigue, etc. are gone.
                                            But I use RP advice in systemic/contextual ways...

                                            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                            There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                            And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                            ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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