Does any of this shit matter?
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@gg12 it’s a process. Health is. Don’t look at static outcomes. Try looking imagining the whole thing. A life of good energy spent helping others. If you’re just thinking about yourself something’s probably very off.
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maybe you're right. peat spoke of idealistic scenarios for societies
but God knows things like the american revolution were necessary but not ideal for stress. Most of civilization's most significant events were probably really stressful but regardless, humans endure. Prior humans also probably had a lower baseline of stress, depending on their background.
I think Peat believed that by fixing our own health, we could pursue things greater than ourselves, push for a collective effort to make change to our civilization and its evil agencies, thus creating a quasi-renaissance era.
Obviously it sounds nice and pretty out loud but to do such a thing would be one of the most difficult culture shifts of our generation. I think even he knew that. If he believed he could incite such change i think he would have been an MLK, Napoleon, etc. type revolutionary. But he wasn't.
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Is there any evidence that diet can prolong life? I'm sure many of us were disappointed that Dr. Peat didn't live longer than he did. He lived a decent age. But what I think really counts the most, that we have a lot of influence over, is health span.
I think the reason we eat well, as much as we think we can do, and exercise and lift weights and work out and have sex and all that stuff, is because we want to have a pleasant life for as long as possible.
Then, when it's time to leave, we just slip into death when we're sleeping instead of ending up for 5 or 10 years with dementia and heart problems in and out of doctor's offices, a total drug-addled mess.
That said, I do believe we can live to at least 100. I think Dr. Peat was done in by his stubbornness about Western medicine.
I think he could have lived a lot longer if he had gotten over the COVID or whatever it is that he got. But my point is that it's really about the quality of our life more than anything else.
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@hcwilliams a revolution is a circle
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@Ecstatic_Hamster Exactly, and on this same point, Ray used to speak about the healthier you become the more you seemed to be able to do in less time. Or that your perception of time as a whole slows down.
Speak to your elder peers and many will tell you that they're life went by in a flash. Good health, I think, is getting the most novelty and fulfillment out of the limited time you have.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster ive seen some pretty damning evidence in animals and humans that diet + environment can prolong life. if one were to only start caring about their health say, in their late 20s, much less late 40s, i do think they could add a few years. And like you said, make them much much much more comfortable.
people live in the andes mountains in good health up until their 90s without even trying.
i truly think if we set up a perfect environment for our next generation, at elevation, with no exposure to toxins pufas or irritants i think we could get them to 140-150 years old
such is a pipe dream though especially with the current state of the world
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literally just stumbled upon this as i wrote that ^^
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Does any of this shit matter?
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8 days agoSo hear me out,
Everyday you follow peat principles incredibly strictly- you put deep time and effort to avoid pufa, eat good fruit, have an adequate calcium to phosphate ratio, all that stuff.
Anyway imagine a fucking apocalypse broke out....
You think you would suddenly have the luxury to eat peaty?
I'm not looking for an analytical answer "Oh I could because I bought a ton of oat bran and powdered milk yada ya"
No bro you would be fucking eating whatever you can just to survive.
You think Magellan when he circumnavigated the whole world was eating peaty?
Fuck no!
Life is lived in a catabolic state, There for what good is it to eat peaty and sit around all day on your computer? You are achieving none!
When my gut is most irritated I am most prone to vice but I am also most drawn to my passions! For only then can I put such a deep effort into a sport or a piece of paper! Diamonds are made under pressure are they not? I thought life was easy! No surely I was wrong because stress has always caught up to me! No food will save me, only my soul!Nutrition matters but some people online turn it into a religion and forget humans survived all kinds of insane conditions long before perfect diets existed. Stress, purpose, movement, relationships and mindset clearly matter too, not just whether your calcium ratio was ideal that day.
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That said, I do believe we can live to at least 100. I think Dr. Peat was done in by his stubbornness about Western medicine.
Weird thing to say. Western Medicine will use dangerous and deadly "therapies" at the drop of a hat. From Chemo and Radiation to Ventilators during "Covid" (which had a higher lethality rate than Suicide by Firearm), to dangerous drugs like SSRIs, Finasteride, Statins and such. No doubt it was Dr. Peat's stubbornness about Western Medicine that enabled him to exceed the average US life expectancy by over a decade, and outliving the average lifespan of all the "Blue Zones" for males as well. My guess is that avoiding doctors and Western Medicine probably added at least 20 years to his life.
Plus, it's not like he was opposed to therapies used by Western Medicine, so long as there was good evidence to back it up. He frequently talked about the benefits of things like cyproheptadine, antibiotics, acetazolamide, hyperbaric chambers, and other things.
The other thing is that Dr. Peat often talked about things that extended both lifespan and health span that he didn't do himself. He talked about the benefit of high altitude on longevity, and yet lived at sea level for at least the last decade of his life. He talked about the dangers of iron, and the longevity benefits of blood donation and iron reduction, yet didn't donate blood himself. And lastly, he frequently mentioned the importance of protein, but experimented with a very low protein diet himself in the last year of his life, which probably lowered his own life and health span.
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Anyway imagine a fucking apocalypse broke out....
You think you would suddenly have the luxury to eat peaty?But an apocalypse hasn't broken out. And we currently do have the "luxury" to eat peaty, as you say. I don't think you should use imaginary disasters as a way to sabotage your daily life. That's just silly. Make the best (or better) choices every day when you have the option, and if the worst should happen at some point, deal with it then. There's nothing wrong with a bit of prepping or an insurance policy of sorts, but there is also no reason to actively make yourself worse off today just because something bad might happen in the future.
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@ThinPicking
Ok sorry I dont inow what im talking about.
Im really just trying to be cool and fit in.
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@ZackVegas
Ok bro Ill try to peat again ngl my main issue is not eating enough calories whether that is peaty or not - restrictive eating i guess idk ? Its cause I have sibo anyway its getting better -
@DKJoeAgain I dont even live in a cave but I am strugggling to get by nutrionally. I just can never get enough calories in so its like im never full hence the idea that I should eat pufa. However I did eat alot of pufa lately and damn it wiped me out even more and just created more issues! Im not sure what to do ! Oh well more calories sounds easy but its not !!!
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@sunsunsun bro wtf does it have to do with a corcle????? Like it happens over again??? I dont understand??? Im not very - smart I guess you could say
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@gg12 perhaps my comment was a bit facetious.
I can relate to not being able to afford adequate nutrition at times. Being poor sucks, being aware of how much being poor sucks, sucks even more.
It is my experience human beings aren't actually capable of convincingly lying to themselves. The rationalisation in your original post is a lie, and living in it will provide you with more unhappiness than being poor will.
That being said there are probably methods and 'hacks' you can employ to increase your quality of life. This site is formed from a splintering of one previous that used to be amazing for this sort of discourse, however that sort of focus seems to have been lost a touch, but there are still tons of people on here who would be happy to try and help.
If you like, state the area you live in, the sort of funds you have to work with and your general routine and I'm sure many people will reply with advice on how to get closer to a place you want to be. The hardest part in any situation is employing and maintaining the discipline to enact change though. Lamentation and false rationalisations will do nothing for you.
So what's your situation?
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I just can never get enough calories in so its like im never full hence the idea that I should eat pufa.
Not sure I follow this reasoning. You feel you need more calories, so you opt for one of the worst possible sources for those calories?
There are lots of places to get extra calories, relatively cheaply. You could opt to drink more juice or soda, use honey, simple syrup, or even just plain refined sugar. Well cooked starches are a better choice than PUFA. Coconut Oil and Beef Tallow are becoming more popular and available, and they are much better choices than any seed oil, and don't cost that much more. Of course, there is always dairy fat and butter, which are also superior choices.
Even something like a store brought rotisserie chicken is going to be a better choice. Sure, the fat does have more PUFA than beef, but chicken is still pretty nutritious, and the dose of PUFA is probably still lower than if you opted for processed junk that was fried in seed oils.
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@gg12 do you take thyroid
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@ZackVegas said:
Weird thing to say. Western Medicine will use dangerous and deadly "therapies" at the drop of a hat. From Chemo and Radiation to Ventilators during "Covid" (which had a higher lethality rate than Suicide by Firearm), to dangerous drugs like SSRIs, Finasteride, Statins and such. No doubt it was Dr. Peat's stubbornness about Western Medicine that enabled him to exceed the average US life expectancy by over a decade, and outliving the average lifespan of all the "Blue Zones" for males as well. My guess is that avoiding doctors and Western Medicine probably added at least 20 years to his life.Indeed. Odd.
And wasn't it established he was "done in" by a nocturnal cerebrovascular event. Is hammy calling the prior conditions "COVID", because I thought there was "smoke from a forest fire". Are they interchangeable.
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