Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey)
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@dan-saintdominic Thanks for your post, Dan. How would you recommend someone learn about historic Christianity in a less distorted way?
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@brad Of course the key is always going to be reading the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), but, coming from the Catholic tradition, I think reading Confessions by Augustine of Hippo or any of Thomas Aquinas's works, starting with where he proves God's existence and a summary of Christian beliefs (Summa Contra Gentiles).Theres also the Church Fathers (from 2nd century AD to around 8th century AD) and all of their works will give you insight into what Christians have always believed. Some of them are Gregory the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, Leo the Great, Ambrose of Milan, Iraneus, Hillary of Potiers, Ignatius, and/or Basil. If you're not interested enough to read these works, theres a channel on youtube called "Scholastic Answers" that gives brief overviews on Catholic Theology from Thomas Aquinas perspective with historic sources from all our theologians back to the first and second centuries AD. Aquinas is really a great amalgamation of historical Christianity though since he was at the halfway point between our time and the first century AD, he uses alot of Aristotle's metaphysics to break things down in an extremely logical way, and also constantly sites sources from the first few centuries of the Church.
Theres only a few churches that can say that their Bishops (heads of churches) go back to the Apostles (who were the first bishops) through a constant line, and they are the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and the Roman Catholic Church. So if youre interested in Christianity, this is what'd you have to look into and decipher.
You'll really see a lot of derangements in ideology especially from people like Charlie who do not have the connection to the ancient churches. His behavior of also accusing
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@Truth Insanity that he keeps Ray's name attached to the forum.
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@dan-saintdominic said in Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey):
Oriental Orthodox
Its called Coptic Orthodox Christianity and its origin is the same with the east orthodox after all they were all part of byzantine empire the cradle of Christianity .... just fyi. Ah and one difference no divorce from the eastern...
Last thing anyone who stands on my way with the milk has to go and love himself far .... far .... away from me ... it may be contiguous lolllll -
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You'll really see a lot of derangements in ideology especially from people like Charlie who do not have the connection to the ancient churches. His behavior of also accusing
The orphanhood of protestantism. It's a shame, because Luther didn't want to create a separate church from the Catholics, and offered some important concerns and beliefs to Christianity, that Protestants and Catholics alike benefit from.
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@dan-saintdominic Thanks! I think the end of your answer got cut off but I appreciate it.
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Unfortunately it sounds to me like Charlie has lost his mind as in full on cult mode. Any evidence that Haidut or others have provided he often completely ignores, gives generic responses to questions that make no sense. And it seems like he is itching to ban people for any perceived slight.
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@Verdad This is how Charie has always behaved throughout the history of the forum. His comments and posts have always been useless and/or dumb, and you could always go over to reddit and find the users that he was regularly banning. It's just that now he is having some sort of mental breakdown or financial crisis that is causing his behavior to be cranked up to 11.
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@brad Also, the New Testament is a good source for early Church history! Now there you're talking undistorted (unless you disagree with the canon)
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@Gaston I was a forum supporter I regret that now and have obviously cancelled any future payment. Its amazing to me how unbelievably he is completely tanking the whole forum. All that will be left will be a bunch of sycophants who follow his beliefs just like most cult beliefs.
I hope people like Georgi and others join this forum. I understand why he has not left I think the more he posts there and the more charlie tries to take him down the more Charlie gets exposed for his flawed beliefs.
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@CO3 @dan-saintdominic Do either of you have views on the apocrypha like the Gospel of St. Thomas or other texts rejected at the Council of Nicaea?
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@brad brilliant thanks for letting me know
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@brad Georgi added his new posts to his site.
http://haidut.me/I wish we could comment. Maybe he would like a devoted thread here? A Georgi cul de sac? I don't know.
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@brad The cannon of scripture wasn't created at the Council of Nicea, it happened over many years, and it wasnt finalized for sure in the Catholic Church until around the 1500s. I don't know the arguments against that text I just know that no church, even the ones that broke off from Catholics in the 400s or 1000s, accept it as an apostolic tradition. Also I think when you see that in the Gospels Jesus promised to build a visible church and perserve it to the end, then I see it as impossible that his church would be lead into error.
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@brad With many of them, later textual analysis showed them to indeed be likely forgeries.
I think you can see that the canon is more or less 'correct' by the fact that the corrupt Catholic Church cannot really use it to their benefit. What they do is forge documents like the 'Apostle's Creed' to give their corrupt corporation a retroactive apostolic thumbs up!! Look up the 'Apostle's Creed' btw it's 100% confirmed to not have been written by the Apostles yet for many centuries the 'Church' told people it was.
So the fact that the Church generally has maybe one or two lines to justify their existence using the new testament, means it's likely not too corrupted. Realistically speaking, the only thing to be fully sure of is the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament because Christ and the Apostles quote it in the New Testament.
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Charlie probably suffers from a low intelligence to begin with, which prevents him from thinking about anything other than in a dogmatic way.
He gained a lot of weight and was feeling terrible while trying to implement Peat's ideas (pretty sure he was missing a lot of nuances while doing so), yet never listened to his body, suffered no cognitive dissonance, and continued hurting his body fanatically for years.
He then found a new dogma that had him remove foods he had allergy to, which made him feel better. That's when he started to promote this diet like a biggot and started acting like a cult leader.
The poor soul never learned how to think critically or read scientific research, which requires a modicum of cognitive energy which he doesn't have (he even needs to use ChatGPT to write his messages).
What's dangerous is that he is now acting like a cult leader, and probably doing a disservice to 100's of people who don't have the discernment and critical thinking ability and still give him a hear because he is in a position of authority.
No matter how many times Ray warned us about Authoritarianism, diet alone cannot cure society and individuals from this affliction. Only individuation can, which requires a lot of thinking and trial and error.
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@CO3 NO church that has apostolic origin accepts those books. There is minor discrepancies in our different cannons but the Gospel of Thomas is definetly not one of them. You can even see this in smaller churches such as the Assyrian church of the East who have no "clout" and are seperated from the Catholic church for 1600 years yet still have relatively the same cannon. Even the protestant churches that broke off and absolutely hated the Catholic Church have not accepted those books as part of the cannon. The same can be said for the Apostles Creed that even the Lutherans and Anglicans (who persecuted Catholics for like 400 years in Ireland) accept.
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@dan-saintdominic Yeah the question of apostolic origin of the Apostles' Creed is an open case of forgery by the Western Tradition - something that of course Western protestant churches adopted too since it's useful.
Is the Apostles' creed written by the Apostles? Answer that please.
Your own Church cannot agree on it, since its more intelligent members know that textual analysis proves the positive response wrong.
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@CO3 As far as I'm aware its not a matter of faith who was the one who composed it. I also dont make my decision based off the whims of scholars since God gave them no authority over me. What matters is that it contains the truth and the Church has approved it. You might be looking at this from a protestant point of view where there's no authority outside the texts themselves so if you cast doubt on who wrote the text then its a big deal. Rather, the authority includes the hierarchical structure established by Jesus Christ that will endure to the end of time.
