Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey)
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Charlie has now said that "dairy is literally a liver destroyer" and "fructose is poison" and "a burden to the liver" (quotes directly from his posts).
He also uses the Bible a lot in his comments on health and tries to tie in his new paradigm with the Scriptures.
Yet, his words are insulting the Scriptures, since the Lord promised Israel a "land flowing with milk and honey" as a reward for his children and a sign of his love. Also, in the prophecy that relates to Jesus in Isaiah 7, the child is prophesized that he will eat curds and honey until he matures.
I won't even go into the quotes from Sirach (which you might not accept as Scripture) which state that honey and milk are a basic necessity for human life.
It would be one thing to say that an excess of these foods is toxic, as every food can be overdone. Is your claim simply talking about an excess of these foods, or that these foods are not something that you would give your children in abundance?
If you hold that these foods should not be eaten in abundance, then please do not use the Scriptures to support your nutrition plan, since your own words on these foods insult it and you are being inconsistent. You also tarnish the reputation of Christians when you behave inconsistently.
Also, to anyone else who's image of Jesus Christ has been distorted by the irratic and incosistent words of Charlie, I will let you know that what much of what he promotes is not historic Christianity that can be traced back in a continuous sucession to the Apostles. If you're interested in having any errors that he stated corrected, PM me or tag me.
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@dan-saintdominic
@sphenoid
Charlie at RPF, what a waste of time, Destroy-Poison-Burden, all Hyperbole, Color me surprised, not
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@dan-saintdominic hi, i suggest you Can list these errors there
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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@dan-saintdominic Thanks for your post, Dan. How would you recommend someone learn about historic Christianity in a less distorted way?
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@brad Of course the key is always going to be reading the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), but, coming from the Catholic tradition, I think reading Confessions by Augustine of Hippo or any of Thomas Aquinas's works, starting with where he proves God's existence and a summary of Christian beliefs (Summa Contra Gentiles).Theres also the Church Fathers (from 2nd century AD to around 8th century AD) and all of their works will give you insight into what Christians have always believed. Some of them are Gregory the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, Leo the Great, Ambrose of Milan, Iraneus, Hillary of Potiers, Ignatius, and/or Basil. If you're not interested enough to read these works, theres a channel on youtube called "Scholastic Answers" that gives brief overviews on Catholic Theology from Thomas Aquinas perspective with historic sources from all our theologians back to the first and second centuries AD. Aquinas is really a great amalgamation of historical Christianity though since he was at the halfway point between our time and the first century AD, he uses alot of Aristotle's metaphysics to break things down in an extremely logical way, and also constantly sites sources from the first few centuries of the Church.
Theres only a few churches that can say that their Bishops (heads of churches) go back to the Apostles (who were the first bishops) through a constant line, and they are the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and the Roman Catholic Church. So if youre interested in Christianity, this is what'd you have to look into and decipher.
You'll really see a lot of derangements in ideology especially from people like Charlie who do not have the connection to the ancient churches. His behavior of also accusing
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@Truth Insanity that he keeps Ray's name attached to the forum.
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@dan-saintdominic said in Question for Charlie at Ray Peat Forum on his insults against Milk and Fructose (Honey):
Oriental Orthodox
Its called Coptic Orthodox Christianity and its origin is the same with the east orthodox after all they were all part of byzantine empire the cradle of Christianity .... just fyi. Ah and one difference no divorce from the eastern...
Last thing anyone who stands on my way with the milk has to go and love himself far .... far .... away from me ... it may be contiguous lolllll -
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You'll really see a lot of derangements in ideology especially from people like Charlie who do not have the connection to the ancient churches. His behavior of also accusing
The orphanhood of protestantism. It's a shame, because Luther didn't want to create a separate church from the Catholics, and offered some important concerns and beliefs to Christianity, that Protestants and Catholics alike benefit from.
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@dan-saintdominic Thanks! I think the end of your answer got cut off but I appreciate it.
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Unfortunately it sounds to me like Charlie has lost his mind as in full on cult mode. Any evidence that Haidut or others have provided he often completely ignores, gives generic responses to questions that make no sense. And it seems like he is itching to ban people for any perceived slight.
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@Verdad This is how Charie has always behaved throughout the history of the forum. His comments and posts have always been useless and/or dumb, and you could always go over to reddit and find the users that he was regularly banning. It's just that now he is having some sort of mental breakdown or financial crisis that is causing his behavior to be cranked up to 11.
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@brad Also, the New Testament is a good source for early Church history! Now there you're talking undistorted (unless you disagree with the canon)
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@Gaston I was a forum supporter I regret that now and have obviously cancelled any future payment. Its amazing to me how unbelievably he is completely tanking the whole forum. All that will be left will be a bunch of sycophants who follow his beliefs just like most cult beliefs.
I hope people like Georgi and others join this forum. I understand why he has not left I think the more he posts there and the more charlie tries to take him down the more Charlie gets exposed for his flawed beliefs.
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@CO3 @dan-saintdominic Do either of you have views on the apocrypha like the Gospel of St. Thomas or other texts rejected at the Council of Nicaea?
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@brad brilliant thanks for letting me know
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@brad Georgi added his new posts to his site.
http://haidut.me/I wish we could comment. Maybe he would like a devoted thread here? A Georgi cul de sac? I don't know.
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@brad The cannon of scripture wasn't created at the Council of Nicea, it happened over many years, and it wasnt finalized for sure in the Catholic Church until around the 1500s. I don't know the arguments against that text I just know that no church, even the ones that broke off from Catholics in the 400s or 1000s, accept it as an apostolic tradition. Also I think when you see that in the Gospels Jesus promised to build a visible church and perserve it to the end, then I see it as impossible that his church would be lead into error.
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@brad With many of them, later textual analysis showed them to indeed be likely forgeries.
I think you can see that the canon is more or less 'correct' by the fact that the corrupt Catholic Church cannot really use it to their benefit. What they do is forge documents like the 'Apostle's Creed' to give their corrupt corporation a retroactive apostolic thumbs up!! Look up the 'Apostle's Creed' btw it's 100% confirmed to not have been written by the Apostles yet for many centuries the 'Church' told people it was.
So the fact that the Church generally has maybe one or two lines to justify their existence using the new testament, means it's likely not too corrupted. Realistically speaking, the only thing to be fully sure of is the Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament because Christ and the Apostles quote it in the New Testament.
