what is the cure to hairloss / male pattern baldness?
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In this study, tocotrienols (a type of vitamin E) caused hair regrowth: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3819075/
Tocotrienols are not really Peaty as Peat reccomended the tocopherols, but from looking at the studies I believe the tocotrienols are generally much more effective
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@Chud If it’s androgenic you need to use a DHT blocker or nothing else you do matters.
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look on t3maxxi's twitter for photos of thyroid restoring hair
https://twitter.com/T3MaxxiAlt
anything that combats fibrosis- lisuride etc
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@MaxVerstappen this is bullshit mate, respectfully.
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@Chud Cyproheptadine can cure hair loss alone, induced from brain atrophy. It lowers serotonin and prolactin.
Currently experimenting with 16 mg for 3 days.
If you have hair loss from low libido, probably supplementing thyroid and eating 4oz of beef liver once a week will help tremendously.
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@zeal it’s not bullshit, disrespectfully.
Go ahead, try and stop true MPB without a DHT blocker and report back how that works out for you. Or, show someone who successfully has. I’ve done hundreds of hours of research into this and have yet to find a single individual who reversed or meaningfully stopped MPB without a DHT blocker. In any case where they did it wasn’t MPB in the first place it was a deficiency or something else was fucked up with them that was causing the hair loss, not MPB.
You can spam minoxidil all you want and I’ve seen meaningful reversal without DHT blockers by doing that but that’s only delaying the inevitable and not actually solving the problem.
Please elaborate on why you think it’s “bullshit.” I’m only talking about androgenic alopecia but that should be obvious.
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@Chud add propolis to the "topicals" list
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28028522/ -
@MaxVerstappen I am proof, and I have helped a lot of people too.
Find me someone who fully minimizes stress, takes thyroid, works outside and gets adequate vitamin D, on top of nutrition through fully nutritious diet with milk, and has perfect gut health (whether through cyproheptadine, cascara, charcoal etc) who still goes bald. I'll wait.
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- Cortisol control (less stress, less workouts, more carbs)
- NDT
- Aspirin
- Vit E
- Liver
- Freeze dried beef testicles
- Lard/Tallow on scalp
- Sunlight/Redlight
- NoFap
- Niacinamid
- Thiamin
And a lot of time!
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@zeal You simply didn’t have androgenic alopecia / MPB then.
Provide before / after pics
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my girlfriend says i grew more hair since i started using a chicken lamp sauna (around 1000 watts total)
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@MaxVerstappen Do you realize how stupid you sound right now? Maybe you don't maybe you will come back to this post in the future and realize. One can only hope.
"You had hair loss, but it wasn't the right kind of hair loss, you had a special kind of hair loss. Trust me bro. I'm not coping."
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@zeal Why don’t you post before and after pictures and make me shut up then? Should be easy.
Androgenic alopecia is completely different than losing hair from alopecia areata or telogen effluvium. Completely and utterly different reasons for loss and ways to stop / reverse.
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@Chud I don't have a great cure, which ime is very individual specific, but I do know an easy to fix cause: self abuse. I have a lingering bald spot (~Norwood 3) from before I found nofap, but it hasn't progressed ever since. To think my doctor told me I would be completely bald years ago and tried to sell big pharma snake oil to me
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@MaxVerstappen circular logic, dickhead. You’re saying
- androgenetic alopecia can only be cured by DHT blockers
- if it’s cured by something else it’s not AA
Unfortunately this is wrong: there is no diagnostic test for AA and no one fully understands the mechanism which involves yes androgens but likely also age, stress, energy, nutrients, toxins.
It’s the unknown cool stuff that people here want to investigate, and no we don’t want to lobotomize ourselves with finasteride
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@MaxVerstappen My understanding is that DHT standalone helps with hair growth, but it also changes the skull shape to be more masculine (think someone with an elevated, pointy top skull bone) and also increases the pressure exerted on the skull itself. fibrosis, probably from pufa, is what makes the scalp look tight and rigid and the head adapts to be more egg-like because of this. The DHT appears to be a red herring in the matter.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4174066/ is interesting:
"According to the theory, pressure on the hair follicles created by the weight of the scalp is the cause of AGA. Total weight of the skin, subcutaneous connective tissue, and galea are operative. With sandwiched fat tissue and fibrous connections between the skin and galea, all of these components of the scalp form a combined structure that sits on the cranial bones much like a separate structure movable on the cranial bones due to the intervening loose areolar tissue. Hair follicles are compressed by the skin against the calvarial bones. This theory is uniquely capable of explaining all related phenomena and paradoxes."
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"DHT increases to help the hair follicle forge ahead deeper to reach its normal terminal follicle size in the face of increased pressure due to decrease in cushioning tissues. As long as the pressure on the follicle is adequately buffered, a base androgen level is enough and required for healthy hair growth. [...]"
"Increased DHT promotes hair growth probably mainly by stimulating mitosis in the early anagen follicle. However, increased growth pressure due to advanced mitosis cannot overcome the compressing pressure on the hair follicle but speeds up and shortens the anagen phase."But our DHT levels decrease as we age. I think DHT only becomes an issue in the presence of PUFA.
I've heard Haidut said his fren fucked off to the mountains in asia at a very high elevation, and the higher CO2/altitude made him fully regrow his hair, starting from being completely bald. I've also heard Vitamin E being really good at capturing NO radicals and helping with regrowth, so if you're a guy that jacks off a lot, it's probably good as well. Personally for me, Progesterone, Aspirin, Vitamin B1 and Carboxytherapy on the scalp have been really good and keeping my hair in tact. I don't think even Ray believed you could go back to a juvenile NW1 with a good diet, because you've already adapted to and been weathered by PUFA.
The only thing I haven't tried, but would like to try is an experimental chemical that blocks PGD2 synthesis, so that you can have a higher PGE2 ratio to PGD2. "Twink" death happening seemingly because pretty boys are lower in PGE2, and as PGD2 increases they hit the wall and start balding abruptly.
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@izkrov I have a theory that you can cure your hair loss by "converting" your DHT back into a healthy state instead of nuking them entirely from your system as finasteride does, causing disastrous effects.
Balding is attributed as androgenic alopecia, but if you look at it systemically, estrogenic alopecia is a more accurate diagnosis. If you read Ray Peat's articles, he says that estrogen is the hormone of aging and disease, and balding seems to be a symptom of premature aging in young men.
If you want to cure balding through a systematic approach, you basically have to start peating and cleansing yourself of an estrogenic lifestyle.
Maybe taking progesterone, taking up bodybuilding (without overtraining), and eating peaty foods; you could start noticing an affect on your hair growth in 2-3 weeks.
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@Oj_simpson
Cool!
Except…“androgenetic alopecia can only be cured by DHT blockers”
Correct! Androgenic alopecia is caused by DHT miniaturizing the hair follicle. It’s literally in the name “androgenic.”“If it’s cured by something else it’s not AA”
Correct! Androgenic alopecia is caused by DHT miniaturizing the hair follicle. Nobody has ever cured / stopped MPB without blocking DHT. Please, I encourage you to prove me wrong with examples, nobody has done it yet.Any other genius takes?
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@izkrov Blood flow / scalp tension theory was disproven a long time ago when they transplanted balding scalp areas onto someone’s arm and the hair kept miniaturizing. I don’t think that’s specifically what you’re referencing but that seems to be adjacent.
I don’t think DHT is a red herring personally but I respect your in depth response. I’ll look into everything you said.
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I'm not sure of the mechanism of putting balding scalp areas onto someone's arm and the hair not regrowing. I would think the new environment would be less inflammatory for hair to grow, but it looks like it's not enough. But here's an example of relieving tension in the scalp and it regrowing hair.
"These muscle groups—the frontalis, occipitalis, and periauricular muscles and to a minor degree the temporalis—can create a “tight” scalp when chronically active. Because the blood supply to the scalp enters through the periphery, a reduction in blood flow would be most apparent at the distal ends of the vessels, specifically, the vertex and frontal peaks. Areas of the scalp with sparse hair growth have been shown to be relatively hypoxic, have slow capillary refill, and to have high levels of dihydrotestosterone.4
Conceptually, Botox “loosens” the scalp, reducing pressure on the perforating vasculature, thereby increasing blood flow and oxygen concentration."
