Glucose loading cures everything?
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@Ben Thank you for the comprehensive response. And I do agree, time will tell for this. And like you mention, it is good to keep in mind that even in Stephens' protocol, it is a temporary (6-month) treatment, not a new lifestyle.
Here's to continued energy and life quality and hopefully reduced negatives.
Very interesting that your hair up top is thinning more but your body hair and nails are growing more.
I hope your ailments do resolve!
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I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.
I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
Very frustrating.Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.
Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.
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@evan-hinkle Boom!
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@happyhanneke said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.
I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
Very frustrating.Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.
Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.
For bloat. Try minimizing the amount of water you mix it with as low as possible. I found 70-80ml enough to fully dissolve but low enough to minimize the bloat I used to get with a whole glass of water. Dr. Stephens says his patients that use glucose tablets don’t experience the bloating issue that dextrose powder users do.
As for weight gain, this protocol still follows the general rules of high carb dieting. Gotta drop the fat intake and/or increase activity if you find yourself gaining unwanted fat.
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@happyhanneke If the brain requires 160 grams of glucose daily in a body AT REST (as Dr Stephens has said), it seems the weight gain from far less than that amount means we haven't yet convinced the brain that the body isn't starving. I'm on a lot more glucose than 25 grams 4 times a day and I did initially see more "weight" in the midsection, but I'm fairly certain it was swelling (water). Now, 3 weeks in, that has improved and I don't seem to be gaining extra pounds, but I'm also trying to cut back on other sugars and carbs.
As far as cognitive improvements go, my brain IS functioning better. My husband's moods have dramatically improved. We are having pains and eruptions quickly coming and going, which as a homeopath, is always a good sign.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Thank you. I'm just feeling it in my clothes. I don't weigh myself since it's a huge trigger and can ruin my whole day. It's also 100+F right now so that might be part of it too.
I have cut back on other things but since I am learning to eat normal for the past 6-7 months and not always dieting or cutting back, I don't want to overdo it. I have gained a lot of belly fat so it's just something that is hard to simply accept as part of the process. My first thought is always to diet. Quieting those thoughts is hard but I'm working on it. -
@happyhanneke Healing is difficult in a time when people are obsessed with being thin. (Renaissance, where are you when we need you!) I was always very thin, until menopause, and now, although not in XX sizes, I could afford to shed some pounds.
Hopefully the glucose will help us with our insecurities, allowing us to just focus on healing, and then we can deal with the extra weight when we feel better.
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Dr. Stephens' website.
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Hi everyone!
I've read through the thread and appreciate everyone's shares and thoughts. It's been helpful as I started navigating this myself.
I started exploring glucose loading a couple of weeks ago. Last week I also started checking my blood glucose, to see what is going on. I purchased a two week continuous monitor this morning, so when that arrives I'll get even more data. Is anyone else tracking BG levels?
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@gentlepotato I am not tracking glucose levels, but I will be very curious to see what yours are. I've seen anecdotal reports (I think it was on RPF) that people's BG levels are dropping back down to normal relatively quickly after doses, and that some people have brought their average BG levels down using this protocol, but I think it would be very interesting to see it in actual CGM data.
Per Stephens, the idea is that this should significantly improve your ability to handle glucose and insulin sensitivity, but that is kind of an unverified claim at this point.
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@jjk_learning My issue may be different than other people's. I have ME/CFS, and without going into to great of detail, an issues in ME/CFS is that one of the pathways for breaking down glucose isn't working. Hypoglycemia is common. The glucose loading theory makes perfect sense for me, and I may be one of those people who need a very large dose.
My levels are hardly spiking and I'm back to fasting levels (or even reactive hypoglycemia) two hours after a meal and/or glucose.
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@gentlepotato That is very interesting. Is it the case that your levels hardly spike back on regular carbs too? Or is it only on this glucose protocol that the levels quickly go back to fasting levels or reactive hypo?
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Testing isn’t bad per say
But being unable to interpret what is happening accurately is the problemAs I stated above:
Glucose metabolism is a vital process for cellular respiration.
In mitochondrial respiration, glucose is converted into adenosine triphosphate,
the cell's energy currency, through a process that takes place in the mitochondria's membranesIf that cell is in a stressed state
Say
ME, CFS, malnourishment etc
While healing
The results you see may startle youIm not recommending that you don’t test or that you push through
I healed fully (through food sugars- not supplemental sugars)
But
You must understand your physiology and use other markers as wellYes
My sugar handling was awry
But
So many other signs and symptoms were vanishingI am fully healed now
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@Peatful Your perspective makes sense. And I agree that it may be hard to interpret. But I think it would be good to have the data anyway just to try to put puzzle pieces together.
What condition(s) did you fully heal and what was your approach (I know you say food sugars but I'm curious on the details)? Have you shared your story anywhere?
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@jjk_learning said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Peatful Your perspective makes sense. And I agree that it may be hard to interpret. But I think it would be good to have the data anyway just to try to put puzzle pieces together.
What condition(s) did you fully heal and what was your approach (I know you say food sugars but I'm curious on the details)? Have you shared your story anywhere?
Ive shared it too much probably!
With that
It’s all on the old RPFSame user name
But my username there is hidden because I’ve been banned but my posts are still upI healed from over 50 symptoms
Bad ones like hallucinations, infertility, daily migraines, etcMy food sugars were primarily white sugar
Coke, icings, cheesecake, puddings, etcMind you
I needed overall nutrition
I was malnourished and in an extreme stressed state
But sugar I fully embraced
Easy to digest and very healing for meAgain
On the old rpf you can see me recommend people to add these healing foods in judiciously -
Congratulations on your healing! And do you have a specific thread that captures your journey well? I found lots of posts from you on RPF (including one in a "Successful Peaters" thread), but haven't found the full story. I can pick up from context and what you've already shared that it your approach is very "Peaty"
(Searching for you also led me to a thread about Matt Stone which I found very interesting... I didn't know what he was up to these days)
Would it be fair for me to guess, with your experience, that you would be more favorable towards white table sugar than dextrose? What's your view on this whole glucose-loading idea?
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@jjk_learning said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Congratulations on your healing! And do you have a specific thread that captures your journey well? I found lots of posts from you on RPF (including one in a "Successful Peaters" thread), but haven't found the full story. I can pick up from context and what you've already shared that it your approach is very "Peaty"
(Searching for you also led me to a thread about Matt Stone which I found very interesting... I didn't know what he was up to these days)
Would it be fair for me to guess, with your experience, that you would be more favorable towards white table sugar than dextrose? What's your view on this whole glucose-loading idea?
Hey, this is voice recognition
I had to leave work to meet an HVAC guy at the houseIt is 88° in our house and we had to send our kids elsewhere last night to spend the night as my husband and I toughed it out
So this guy is my priority, but I will not forget to go back to the forum and try to link relevant content here
Do I agree with glucose loading?
Absolutely
Ray talked about this from a liver and thyroid point of view vs brain healthIn the clip I have of him previously
he recommends a pound of sugar over three days
White sugar iircDo I agree with a supplemental dextrose loading?
I don’t disagree but I would never go that routeLet food be thy medicine and medicine be there food….
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I'm almost 3 weeks in on the glucose therapy. My body talks to me. It always has, and usually not in a nice way. I've been retracing every chronic symptom I've ever experienced, some I haven't had for decades. My energy level has improved so for someone with CFS which I've had for decades, this is a good sign I think. The science says I will be well following retracing. Time will tell!
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@S-Holmes While I am sure it is not always fun retracing chronic symptoms, I am glad you are feeling optimistic. And it is great to hear about your energy level. Good on you for listening to your body, and I hope the symptoms mean it is headed on a journey toward healing. As you say, time will tell. Thanks for the update, and continued good luck!
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https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/is-it-hypothyroidism.38663/
See if you can find the complete version by piecing together some of these posts
Im now back at work
Best to you
