Increasing DHT
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The topic of testosterone is very popular here and subsequently the increase of DHT. Minus injecting or consuming pure DHT has anyone on here been able to up their DHT levels with the standard Peat protocols. IE increasing thyroid, lower estrogen and lowering serotonin. Subsequently has anyone that has tried androsterone and Pregnenlone/Pansterone either via oral consumption or transdermal been able to increase their DHT, and this change being noticeable via a blood test? If something else has had a marginal improvement can you share it?
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@PrinceTrebata take 25 grams of creatine a day.
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@Kilgore I thought once your creatine reservoir is full any extra does nothing. 25 for a front loaded loading phase or 5 everyday for a month ends up with the same result.
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@PrinceTrebata
Are we sure high serum DHT is so desirable? I think what is desirable is testosterone converting into DHT when needed, like in the muscle or in the brain, instead of being chronically elevated in blood. When I was using 250mg test with 10% homemade DHT serum in DMSO, I found DHT to be stimulating and calming at the same time. The calming effect definitely wasn't strong, like that of t3, while the stimulating effect made controlling my thoughts very difficult. Given that I do suffer from stuff like OCD, rumination, adhd, maybe the dht just exposed underlying weakness, but I think good balance is key.After all those experiences, I'm 100% sure the most important thing is having perfect mental health. If mental health and external stressors are not a problem, achieving optimal energy efficiency through thyroid and androgens is very easy. I think that is why I see many people in the gym abusing heavy androgens and still looking... not so masculine. But in the past if you look at male models from the 60's-80's and if you look at western movies you see that the men have a very unique look to them, a leathery face that looks very appealing, different from old-sunburnt skin.
There is no way into faking that look except making sure mental/spiritual health is 100% on point, after which you can introduce androgens/t3 to get your body used to a new setpoint/homeostasis.
Like most of my posts I'm all over the place, but tl;dr is that bloodlevels mean nothing, what matters is that it reaches tissue. Most bloodlevel increases of dht will simply rise tissue-estrogen as a coping mechanism or introduce various other difficulties. But I did read boron and butea superba work very well for increasing serum DHT.
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@PrinceTrebata That's old news. Nowadays people like Hans Amato say to consume 25g a day to get maximum benefits.
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@EustaceBagge Great writeup and I agree that raising testosterone is second to achieving optimal health via good thyroid, good mental etc. I have been Peating for a while now and think my health is at a good enough point where I can try to reach a new homeostatis as you mentioned. I emphasized bloodwork just because placebo is a real thing and temporary increase in androgenic feeling might not translate to long term improvements in baseline. As you mentioned though bloodwork is not everything and many other factors are at play. Regardless has anything minus t3 and taking test given you an improved androgenic feeling? Im thinking of trying transdermal stressnon/preg maybe on scrotum as well as vitamin k and androsterone. If anything has worked for you I would love to hear it!
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I know Santosh used to say that transdermal DHEA raised his DHT and I believe that's one of the things he tested with blood work.
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@Crypt-Keeper Do you know what part of his body he applied the solution? Did he use DMSO?
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@PrinceTrebata He was big on using DMSO and applying to the scrotum. He's also done 96% ethanol and IPM for Test, but not sure if he's tried that with DHEA.
I know there used to be off-the-shelf DHEA transdermal solutions like Dermacrine. I can't speak to its effectiveness at raising DHT though.
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Testosterone very heavily aromatized for me because I was not ready for it yet, and yet I can't say the same about T3 which definitely helped me (and still is) despite being touted as more stimulating. DHT I would compare more to T3, in that it gives a subtle peace and makes reaching a deeper calmness easier. The effects I noticed most is that on DHT everything is amplified a ton as the CNS is more efficient, and that I got so hairy I look like a monkey with hairs creeping up my neck. So DHT is like t3 with a little extra stimulation in case things need to get done, but it does make you lazy otherwise (without stress/estrogen dht is very calming).
If you want to reach that new setpoint, DHT in DMSO is what I would recommend. The problem with pregnenolone (idk about dhea) is that it can convert into so many things you never know what the actual effect is your getting. I recommend against testosterone as your testosterone rn is probably fine and adding a supplementary dose of it will change nothing in the long run.
Let me tell you this, if you do get used to higher DHT, a lot will change, lower SHBG, much higher stress sensitivity (any stress is much worse on DHT). And your natural brakes put in place to prevent you from burning yourself out will become weaker as well, so you need to be in-tune with your body to prevent that from happening. Experiences in individuals can differ as I've read that some people become very energetic on DHT, but my idea is that they are overstimulated from estrogen+dht combo. No free lunch.
It's very easy to source and make your own dht solution, doesn't require anything except mixing under very little heat. You can apply it to your balls for maximal absorption.
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@Kilgore
If you get to the point your consuming 25g of creatine a day, just switch to a diet that's high in red meat. Isolated substances should be used as a supplement, not as a replacement. Meat has so many compounds that are not even identified yet that all act together to create effects that makes meat more than just empty protein + zinc. A 500gr/day red meat diet would benefit your health and hormones more than consuming 25gr creatine a day, if exaggerated intakes are desired. -
@EustaceBagge very interesting. so i should get dmso and dht and just mix in a bowl and set apart for one hour?
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@thyroidchor27 The DMSO will evaporate too quickly if left out like that and the DHT powder will recrystallize. Either apply it immediately after mixing or mix it in a dropper bottle or something else that can be sealed.
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@Crypt-Keeper thanks ill do the former. 5 mg dht should be enough? and how much dmso?
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@thyroidchor27 I think I managed to get 50mg DHT per 1 ml DMSO. But don't quote me on that because it's been awhile. I remember it's much less than what you can do with T in DMSO.
I guess 5mg would be fine. I tried even large amounts (50-100mg) and felt absolutely nothing. It could be my skin is just thick or weird and it doesn't absorb well for me.
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@Crypt-Keeper Do you prefer transdermal T to DHT? I am mainly look for a bit of acceleration in abdominal fat loss
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@thyroidchor27 I noticed absolutely nothing from large doses of transdermal T.
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@EustaceBagge
What I did was 12.5% dmso solution, which means 12.5g dht per 100ml dmso. I first slightly heated the dmso for like 30 seconds (don't do any longer as it starts evaporating quickly) and then added in the dht powder and its done. Just add it into some bottle and if you want you can mix it with a moisturizer, because with only dmso it's very liquidy.I don't recommend 12.5% though as it crystalizes after a while, but it's easy to just shake the bottle and get it somewhat back together. I would recommend 7.5%, that will work easily, and 10% is the standard what is sold online premixed.
Apply to balls for best/fastest absorption. And if you want a weak solution, you can of course do 2.5% solution as well (2.5g dht per 100ml dmso). Very easy to make.
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@thyroidchor27
That's weird as you should definitely feel transdermal T, especially when applied to balls because then you get more DHT conversion as the testosterone reacts well to 5AR when applied to scrotum. Did you use very low dose? Look on reddit for people that talk about how they feel different when they apply T to the balls vs other places (usually shoulders or thighs). -
@EustaceBagge 100ml? I would need to cover my body head to toe with that much DMSO. Aren't you worried about elements of the moisturizer being brought through the skin? I thought DMSO was very powerful at penetrating the skin and bringing anything and everything along with it (anything small enough to get through the skin barrier at least). I was even careful to wash off as best I could any possible soap residue on my skin.
