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    • GalarocG
      Galaroc
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      I have learned that I was exposed to lead in the past through an HTMA test. My hair levels are high (6 parts per million - a strange choice of unit but used on the HTMA) but not astronomical, and my blood levels are nonzero but within the reference range (0.04 umol/L). I suspect I was exposed through living for some time in Central America, or through the pipes in an old house I was living in for 2 years where I drank from the tap.

      Of course zero lead in the body is ideal, but are these levels anything to be concerned about? What can or should I do for chelation? I am considering phlebotomy as a first step to try and clear at least some of the lead out of my blood.

      The HTMA is 1 month old and bloods were taken one week ago.

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      • cs3000C
        cs3000 @Galaroc
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        @Galaroc 1 way to tell if levels are a problem is by it inducing anemia / red blood cell damage. idk what a negligable amount is but 15mcg/L can cause toxicity issues apparently

        Thiamine is 1 thing that can help get rid of lead, if u can deal with the acetylcholine increase

        https://repository.ias.ac.in/96348/1/Therapeutic_potential.pdf

        https://prevent-alzheimers-autism-stroke.blogspot.com/2019/11/targeted-lead-detox-with-thiamine-zinc.html

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0041008X81904646

        • 100mg per cow calf per day None of the control or Pb plus thiamin-treated
          calves showed clinical signs of poisoning and no deaths occurred. However, four of five Pb-treated calves showed signs of Pb poisoning and two died during the study. Tissues from both groups receiving Pb contained significantly higher (p <0.01) concentrations of Pb than tissues from control calves. However, tissues from calves receiving Pb plus thiamin contained 2 to 10 times less Pb than tissues from calves receiving only Pb.

        pectin too (there's a thread on this forum)
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18616067/

        (with chelation u lose some iron copper zinc too though so good to ensure dietary intake sorted)

        "world," as a source of new perceptions
        more https://substack.com/@cs3001

        "Self-organizing systems decay only if they have assimilated inertia and — with a little support of the right kind— the centers of degeneration can become centers of regeneration"

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        • GalarocG
          Galaroc @cs3000
          last edited by Galaroc

          @cs3000

          Thank you for the great links! I was not seriously considering using EDTA or another real chelator as I don't have extreme or acute symptoms.

          In summary a recommended protocol is:

          • Thiamine HCL 100mg 2x per day (cannot not use benfotiamine, must be HCL as benfo is lacking the sulfur atom which reacts with the lead)
          • Zinc gluconate 30mg per day
          • Selenomethionine 150mcg per day (recommended to use products from Sabinsa Corp with SeLECT, sold by Swanson or Vitacost that state: "Selenium from (as) Selenium SeLECT L-selenomethionine")

          Additional but not required, though highly effective if you have acute expsosure:

          • Modified Citrus Pectin (MCP) 15g per day in 3 5g doses (PectaSol brand) for 28 days

          You will need to run the primary protocol for at least 9 months in accordance with the studies to get the required results, but the pectin shows rapid chelation (reduction of levels in children of 161%) in just 28 days. I think this may be because the kids were badly exposed and had very high levels.

          I also just read that Ray has recommended succinic acid at 200mg twice daily in a capsule form for two weeks to clear out heavy metals. Have you heard anything about this method? Still looking into it now.

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            LetTheRedeemed @Galaroc
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            @Galaroc

            I also just read that Ray has recommended succinic acid at 200mg twice daily in a capsule form for two weeks to clear out heavy metals. Have you heard anything about this method? Still looking into it now.

            Really interested in hearing that source, too. Where did you read it?

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            • GalarocG
              Galaroc @LetTheRedeemed
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              @LetTheRedeemed

              I have seen a number of references to Ray saying that on the old forum but I can’t find a source where he actually does. He mentions succinic acid, along with citric acid and other types being a chelator in Generative Energy #55 but only in passing when discussing how sour orange juice can often be irritating for people as the increased citric acid chelates tissue bound heavy metals causing distress. Quote is from 1:12 in the episode linked below:

              https://raw.githubusercontent.com/0x2447196/raypeatarchive/main/transcripts/%252355:%2520Bioenergetic%2520Nutrition%2520Basics%2520|%2520"The%2520Ray%2520Peat%2520Diet"%2520|%2520Appetite%2520and%2520Metabolism%2520with%2520Ray%2520Peat%2520%255Bf06rVi8iXfI%255D.vtt

              Further mentions from the forum:

              https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/what-do-you-know-about-succinic-acid.14920/

              https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/succinic-acid-for-heavy-metal-detox.4970/

              Lots on this on the old forum but I’ll keep looking for that recommendation from Dr Peat. Link in the first forum post is broken.

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                LetTheRedeemed @Galaroc
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                @Galaroc wow thanks a ton. Very appreciated. I need to dive into that research.

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