Songs you like
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@NoeticJuice said in Songs you like:
Your Molecular Structure 2:11 Mose Allison The Best of Mose Allison Jazz 0 12
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I really enjoy the album Urlo by Paolo Fresu and Furio Di Castri. Some tracks are more experimental than others - sometimes I skip them - but the rest are very nice atmospheric tracks. I really enjoy walking through the streets of Riga at night with this playing in the background as it makes me feel very in tune with the beautiful, bohemic city.
I also recommend Jimmy Guiffre's album Night Dance. Less experimental.
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Anybody notice that the more a song correlates with a message, the less attractive and enjoyable it sounds? The more attractive music, is simply normal…
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@LetTheRedeemed it's been a few days... if you're still interested, could you elaborate? Maybe give a few examples of "with a message" and "simply normal"?
I don't like most normal music, if normal is interpreted as meaning popular. But you might mean something else.
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@NoeticJuice ehh… i’m tryna be nice:
The artsy fartsy stuff like This one, and some of your stuff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkFyAUyQ89s&list=RDXkFyAUyQ89s&start_radio=1
The “normal” songs are more broadly what Jennifer posts. I think mine have a good emphasis on good qualities of affability.
“Normal” art is a precarious position in the consumer world. It can be junk, but it has to appeal to the broadest market, so it necessarily takes the bare minimum steps to at least be attractive if not addictive in it’s music theory gaming and hamfisting.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Songs you like:
Anybody notice that the more a song correlates with a message, the less attractive and enjoyable it sounds?
I'd say that the songs you and Jennifer shared on this thread also have a message. Or, to use a different word, a meaning.
When it comes to lyrics, I don't think it's generally about having a message or not having one, but about what that message/meaning is and how it's conveyed. Different people relate to and experience them differently.
Preferences about how songs sounds like probably depend on some of the same things as the preference for meaning and way of conveying meaning, but with some differences.
A musician has a personality and a certain way their mind works (obviously. Maybe). If they start making music with an intent behind it, then that, along with the other aspects of the musician, shape the entire piece, including the lyrics and instrumentals. This could extend to a larger collection of humans, where they act as a unit with its own personality and cognition.
Thinking of it this way, it makes sense that meaning would correlate with sound. But since musical preference and preference for meaning don't depend on exactly the same things to exactly the same degree, not all good sounding songs also have a good meaning, and vice versa.
Just a possible explanation I came up with while thinking about your observation.
@LetTheRedeemed said in Songs you like:
ehh… i’m tryna be nice
You don't need to worry about offending me, but I appreciate the thought. Idk about peatolish though.
"We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."
🎧🎶24/7
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Culture and tradition also play a part here, but it might be included in the "larger collection of humans" category. There are also limiting/modifying factors, both mental (like knowledge of theory) and physical (like environment and available instruments).
This just turned into a general theory for how different types of music formed, didn't it
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@NoeticJuice thanks for sharing.
I think i have a better way to describe what I’m seeing, it’s been discussed much when describing christian movies or right-wing art. Trying to sell an on-the-nose message, often leads to more energy put into the message than the art-making part.
Pick your best christian movie and compare it to a solid blockbuster... No comparison imo.
On the flip side, a lot of christians honed the craft of music making, so there are some pretty solid christian songs, but even christian music has faced the same critiques of what I’m describing.
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I can see what you wrote being true. I wouldn't like it if someone tried to force-feed me a message.
@LetTheRedeemed said in Songs you like:
often leads to more energy put into the message than the art-making part.
If a person separates message and art in their mind, seeing art as just a decoration for the message, then this is likely to happen. But art doesn't have to be just decoration; it can be a way to allow another person to experience the message/meaning instead of just being told it.
If an artist views message/meaning and art as inseparable, then both will naturally develop together.
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@BlooDrinker420 this is an old comment but, how the hell do you listen to Mozart’s Laudete and not feel extreme peace, tranquility, or a divine pleasure?
I’m no classical snob, but if you can’t enjoy that, it’s kinda like pop music did to human musical pleasure, what porn did to sex!
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@NoeticJuice and that’s the great artist’s tension, isn’t it. What creates a true masterpiece — how can we transliterate what’s in our head into the thing that changes the world.
It plagues the artist: “how do i make that thing that I can see perfectly in my brain???”
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Songs you like:
It plagues the artist: “how do i make that thing that I can see perfectly in my brain???”
I'm not a great artist, not yet anyway--I've only written 3 poems, drawn relatively little, and I've yet to make any music--but it doesn't plague me. As I continue to make art with intent and awareness, I'll get better at making art.
Thinking about it too much is likely harmful--it strangles, suffocates the flow.
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