Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List
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There were zero drawbacks in MY Experience.
So, your experience doesn't include basic research about substances you experiment with?
I’m always sadly surprised when people are having a good ole disagreement on something (which I love) and they’ll throw in something that challenges the integrity/intelligence/intention of the opponent and spoils the emotion and constitution of the argument.
How can that "spoil" the argument, when that is the core point in the argument? He explicitly stated he didn't take any issues that others have had with semaglutide or alcohol into account, meaning it is purely his experience.
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This was perfomed 12 weeks on the low ethanol diet and they lived 9 weeks longer (160w) than the control group (151w) So that argument is wrong.
That refers to the longest living mouse in each group of 60, not the entire group. The LLE group does seem to have a mice live a bit longer generally, but there are many times when the groups line up. At about week 140, both groups were at 50% survival, for example.
The argument remains, since this was a very small number of captive mice. How well this three year study would translate long term to 70-80 year free living humans is still in question.
Maybe for a few hours, but your metabolic rate is depressed for more hours/days on the backend, and any short term benefit quickly dissapears.
Really, how was this depression of metabolism measured? Oh wait, you are sharing your subjective experiences just like me.
True, but I did not make specific claims about specific metrics, like ATP. Although I did measure quite a few metrics over time, like waking temperature, iron markers, and thyroid hormone.
It's a good idea, but sharing my experience of substances is okay too. No need to chimp out.
Chimp out? Again, this sort of talk makes me think you are very young, maybe early 20s or even teens. You can withstand a lot more damaging substances at that age without seeming side effects, but it starts to change a lot more as you get to 30, 35, 40, 45 and so on.
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The argument remains, since this was a very small number of captive mice. How well this three year study would translate long term to 70-80 year free living humans is still in question.
"Intriguingly, epidemiologic studies showed the fact that moderate alcohol intake is linked to lower risks of cardiovascular disease and metabolic-related disease [4, 9, 12, 13]. This raises the possibility of a beneficial role for moderate alcohol intake in other age-related diseases. Some previously published studies have suggested that moderate consumption of 30 g/d of alcohol (2 drinks per day) is beneficial to insulin sensitivity and triglyceride concentration in nondiabetic postmenopausal women and could decrease the risk of diabetes and improve insulin resistance [14, 15]. In another study, Wang et al. observed an inverse relationship between moderate alcohol consumption and the risk of becoming overweight or obese in a cohort of middle-aged and older women during 12.9 years of follow-up [16]."
That refers to the longest living mouse in each group of 60, not the entire group. The LLE group does seem to have a mice live a bit longer generally, but there are many times when the groups line up. At about week 140, both groups were at 50% survival, for example.
"Many times" You look at a two points of the graph, at week 110 & 140 and disregard the greater survival rates at ALL other times??
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@ZackVegas you judged intent with one quote that is obviously rendered erroneous when he simply shows research upon inquiry. When something could’ve been discovered with a good faith question instead of an accusation, it makes your cute butt look bad.
For what it’s worth, I believe I’ve encountered more people who have trouble with dairy than putting a thimble full of ethanol in a glass of oj.
Peat also supported alcoholic drinks like grain alcohols in moderation.
“Everything in context” is a pretty Peaty axiom
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2 days in and Wow, vodka is definitely speeding everything up. And Too much is like when I drink too much coffee… opposite experience than what I used to have on beer!
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@LetTheRedeemed can you expand on that?
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a teaspoon of everclear in a glass of juice or coca cola before bed is kinda ace
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@alfredoolivas it’s similar to the pro energetic feeling of coffee. I put a shot in 2 8oz bottles of sweetened oj.
I feel the energy and awakeness longer throughout the day, and I can tell if I drank too much at once, I’d get the runs like when I drink too much coffee in one sitting...
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is cordyceps mushroom in this tier list?
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@wester130 no sorry, is it good have you tried it?
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