Cancer
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@Jennifer, if your dad remains committed to conventional methods, perhaps he would be willing to consider this approach:
Immunotherapy in Cancer | Joseph Issels
"There are three general areas of prohost clinical management which are interwoven, and which overlap considerably:"
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"Correction of all known causal factors. This requires surgical elimination of foci of infection (notably head foci of dead teeth and nonfunctional diseased tonsils), immunization against pathogenic microbes and administration of appropriate flora, desensitization of local tissue pathologies caused by neural referral of disturbances from distant disease foci (Huneke), treatment of toxicoses and sensitivities caused by inherited latent phase cell wall deficient microbial forms (stemming from ancestral exposure to infections including syphilis and tuberculosis), which are passed on at birth and can persist for many generations (Enderlein, Spengler), replacement of pathogenic nutrition with a dietotherapy specifically designed to meet the special needs of cancer patients (Gerson, Hildenbrand), removal of environmental and psychological stressors as defined by Hans Selye, and the establishment of a more beneficial mind/body homeostasis according to the findings of psychoneuroimmunology."
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"Desensitization to causal factors. This is accomplished by systematic autogenous vaccination, application of microflora preparations and various specific vaccines."
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"Normalization of secondary damages to the host metabolism (impaired detoxification with subsequent suppression of natural defenses). Treatments include Gerson's dietotherapy, correction of the acid-base balance by treatment of the serum alkalosis and tissue acidosis paradox common in degenerative diseases, hyperthermia, fever therapy (Coley-Nauts), hyperbaric oxygen, ozone, ultraviolet blood irradiation, enzymes, glandulars, organ extracts, and neural therapy (Huneke)."
"Conventional anti-tumor treatments (surgery, radiation, chemotherapy) can be utilitarian and beneficial when modified to support the goals of whole-body comprehensive immunotherapy. In this context, they may be used concomitantly with vaccines, dietotherapy, and other host-protective medical measures. Dosages and duration of treatment with these drugs may be far less than is recommended in the randomized clinical trial protocols by which they achieved regulatory approval, but these modifications are justified by the outcomes of my patients, who achieve quite satisfactory tumor response without the typical side effects of hair loss, bone marrow suppression, and gut disturbances."
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@Amazoniac said in Cancer:
@Jennifer, if your dad remains committed to conventional methods, perhaps he would be willing to consider this approach:
Immunotherapy in Cancer | Joseph Issels
"There are three general areas of prohost clinical management which are interwoven, and which overlap considerably:"
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"Correction of all known causal factors. This requires surgical elimination of foci of infection (notably head foci of dead teeth and nonfunctional diseased tonsils), immunization against pathogenic microbes and administration of appropriate flora, desensitization of local tissue pathologies caused by neural referral of disturbances from distant disease foci (Huneke), treatment of toxicoses and sensitivities caused by inherited latent phase cell wall deficient microbial forms (stemming from ancestral exposure to infections including syphilis and tuberculosis), which are passed on at birth and can persist for many generations (Enderlein, Spengler), replacement of pathogenic nutrition with a dietotherapy specifically designed to meet the special needs of cancer patients (Gerson, Hildenbrand), removal of environmental and psychological stressors as defined by Hans Selye, and the establishment of a more beneficial mind/body homeostasis according to the findings of psychoneuroimmunology."
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"Desensitization to causal factors. This is accomplished by systematic autogenous vaccination, application of microflora preparations and various specific vaccines."
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"Normalization of secondary damages to the host metabolism (impaired detoxification with subsequent suppression of natural defenses). Treatments include Gerson's dietotherapy, correction of the acid-base balance by treatment of the serum alkalosis and tissue acidosis paradox common in degenerative diseases, hyperthermia, fever therapy (Coley-Nauts), hyperbaric oxygen, ozone, ultraviolet blood irradiation, enzymes, glandulars, organ extracts, and neural therapy (Huneke)."
"Conventional anti-tumor treatments (surgery, radiation, chemotherapy) can be utilitarian and beneficial when modified to support the goals of whole-body comprehensive immunotherapy. In this context, they may be used concomitantly with vaccines, dietotherapy, and other host-protective medical measures. Dosages and duration of treatment with these drugs may be far less than is recommended in the randomized clinical trial protocols by which they achieved regulatory approval, but these modifications are justified by the outcomes of my patients, who achieve quite satisfactory tumor response without the typical side effects of hair loss, bone marrow suppression, and gut disturbances."
Thank you.
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@Jennifer, another approach that might suit:
Cancer Treatments | Cancer Center for Healing
↳ Low Dose ChemotherapyFrom them:
"Small portions of poultry or fish are also an option for patients who choose to adopt a “Mediterranean” style diet rather than a strictly plant-based (vegan) approach."
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@Amazoniac said in Cancer:
@Jennifer, another approach that might suit:
Cancer Treatments | Cancer Center for Healing
↳ Low Dose ChemotherapyFrom them:
"Small portions of poultry or fish are also an option for patients who choose to adopt a “Mediterranean” style diet rather than a strictly plant-based (vegan) approach."
Thank you, but my dad isn’t getting chemotherapy.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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Manuka Honey Inhibits Human Breast Cancer Progression in Preclinical Models (July 2024)
Figure 4. Antitumor activity of Manuka honey in human breast cancer xenografts in vivo. Ovariectomized nude mice (nu−/nu−, Charles Rivers) with estradiol supplements were implanted with MCF-7 tumor xenografts SQ and treated with Manuka honey or control administered by oral gavage after tumors achieved a size of 50–75 cm3. Oral gavage (0.1 mL volume) with 50% (w/v) Manuka honey or control was performed twice daily from days 1 to 14, then once daily thereafter to day 42. Treatment with Manuka honey administered orally elicited a significant suppression of MCF-7 xenograft progression as compared to controls (** p < 0.01) n = 5–7 mice per group. -
I recently read a book “cancer cured: victory over the war on cancer” which i believe Ray Peat helped advise the author on. My mum has cancer, and i think the book was really good.
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@Jennifer, I brought it up because a clinic that doesn't reject conventional methods altogether might be faced with less resistance by him. Another advantage is that it's located in national territory, not giving him the impression that he's seeking clandestine treatments abroad.
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@Amazoniac said in Cancer:
@Jennifer, I brought it up because a clinic that doesn't reject conventional methods altogether might be faced with less resistance by him. Another advantage is that it's located in national territory, not giving him the impression that he's seeking clandestine treatments abroad.
I see. He’s halfway through treatment and doing well, but I’ll keep the center in mind. Thank you.
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Did anyone here encountered cancer(in your self/in someone close to you). If so, what you did/doing to cure it? If you didn't, but you have some knowledge - what would you do to cure it? I know that different cancer need different approach - but hey, it's still cancer.
Cancer threads are like Alice in Wonderland. You get into a lot of rabbit holes. I stay away from it except to make this kind of commentary. And to say the essence in a cure is in its simplicity. When it gets very complicated and you don't know where to even begin, you are so trapped already in a labyrinth and you feel like a cockroach being experimented on.
Go back to the basics. Balance. And the body will heal itself. It is about the terrain. And you have to get the body back to where it can get back its own wisdom.
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I just came across a quote by Ray on prostate cancer. From his May 1998 newsletter:
"Thyroid supplementation, adequate animal protein, trace minerals, and vitamin A are the first things to consider in the prevention of prostate hypertrophy and cancer. Nutritional and endocrine support can be combined with rational anticancer treatments, since there is really no sharp line between different approaches that are aimed at achieving endocrine and immunological balance, without harming anything."
https://raypeatexplained.com/ray-peat-on-thyroid/
Along with radiation and androgen deprivation therapy, my dad used thyroid (standardized NDT), Progest-E and a diet high in animal protein to successfully treat his prostate cancer.
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I just came across a quote by Ray on prostate cancer. From his May 1998 newsletter:
"Thyroid supplementation, adequate animal protein, trace minerals, and vitamin A are the first things to consider in the prevention of prostate hypertrophy and cancer. Nutritional and endocrine support can be combined with rational anticancer treatments, since there is really no sharp line between different approaches that are aimed at achieving endocrine and immunological balance, without harming anything."
https://raypeatexplained.com/ray-peat-on-thyroid/
Along with radiation and androgen deprivation therapy, my dad used thyroid (standardized NDT), Progest-E and a diet high in animal protein to successfully treat his prostate cancer.
Ray Peat talking about vegan diet (tomatoes, squash, botanical fruits) curing prostate cancer :
"Older people have very low protein requirements"
"excessive amino acids become antithyroid agents and make metabolism even slower"
https://x.com/hmmmcurious/status/1683049261213143040 -
I just came across a quote by Ray on prostate cancer. From his May 1998 newsletter:
"Thyroid supplementation, adequate animal protein, trace minerals, and vitamin A are the first things to consider in the prevention of prostate hypertrophy and cancer. Nutritional and endocrine support can be combined with rational anticancer treatments, since there is really no sharp line between different approaches that are aimed at achieving endocrine and immunological balance, without harming anything."
https://raypeatexplained.com/ray-peat-on-thyroid/
Along with radiation and androgen deprivation therapy, my dad used thyroid (standardized NDT), Progest-E and a diet high in animal protein to successfully treat his prostate cancer.
Ray Peat talking about vegan diet (tomatoes, squash, botanical fruits) curing prostate cancer :
"Older people have very low protein requirements"
"excessive amino acids become antithyroid agents and make metabolism even slower"
https://x.com/hmmmcurious/status/1683049261213143040I remember the interview that clip was taken from. Neither my parents (in their 60s, at the time) nor my grandmother (in her 90s, at the time) fared well on low-protein diets, diets that centered on foods Ray told me in an email exchange that he recommended, and Ray’s own experience with protein restriction the last year of his life doesn’t instill confidence in me that such diets are optimal for the majority. Ray also said:
"Low protein diets definitely interfere with the liver’s ability to detoxify estrogen and other stressors.”
“The liver and other organs deteriorate rapidly on low protein diets.”
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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Just how low protein are we talking about here?
Just 2 liters of milk and your getting 70g of protein
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I remember the interview that clip was taken from. Neither my parents (in their 60s, at the time) nor my grandmother (in her 90s, at the time) fared well on low-protein diets, diets that centered on foods Ray told me in an email exchange that he recommended, and Ray’s own experience with protein restriction the last year of his life doesn’t instill confidence in me that such diets are optimal for the majority. Ray also said:
"Low protein diets definitely interfere with the liver’s ability to detoxify estrogen and other stressors.”
“The liver and other organs deteriorate rapidly on low protein diets.”
Your grandmother in her 90 s tried low-protein diet ? Why would she do that ?
I think people are just happy to hear from some authority that their favourite foods are exactly what they need to eat, nobody likes restrictions. And if somebody likes vegan diet and smoking weed - Ray will happily endorse you with proper studies how to do it right. -
Just how low protein are we talking about here?
Just 2 liters of milk and your getting 70g of protein
Ray averaged 50 g of protein daily during his methionine restriction experiment, and mentioned having to limit milk (and cheese and eggs). He talked about it here:
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZCgpw6_sRA&t=12m10s
And in some of his quotes regarding low protein diets, he mentioned 40 g:
“A few years ago, most of the nutritional problems that I saw were caused by physicians, by refined convenience foods, and by poverty. Recently, most of the problems seem to be caused by badly designed vegetarian diets, or by acceptance of the idea that 40 grams of protein per day is sufficient. The liver and other organs deteriorate rapidly on low protein diets. Observe the faces of the wheatgrass promoters, the millet-eaters, and the anti-mucus dieters, and other low protein people. Do they look old for their age?”
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I remember the interview that clip was taken from. Neither my parents (in their 60s, at the time) nor my grandmother (in her 90s, at the time) fared well on low-protein diets, diets that centered on foods Ray told me in an email exchange that he recommended, and Ray’s own experience with protein restriction the last year of his life doesn’t instill confidence in me that such diets are optimal for the majority. Ray also said:
"Low protein diets definitely interfere with the liver’s ability to detoxify estrogen and other stressors.”
“The liver and other organs deteriorate rapidly on low protein diets.”
Your grandmother in her 90 s tried low-protein diet ? Why would she do that ?
I think people are just happy to hear from some authority that their favourite foods are exactly what they need to eat, nobody likes restrictions. And if somebody likes vegan diet and smoking weed - Ray will happily endorse you with proper studies how to do it right.She had chronic diarrhea from what would later be discovered was a sensitivity to lactose, which the majority of the foods she had been eating contained, and low protein was a byproduct of the elimination diet used to control it. The diarrhea subsided, but she started having dizzy spells that led to hospitalization after she hit her head on the bathroom counter and broke her nose. The dizzy spells ceased after greatly increasing her meat intake and not long after, dairy from lactose-free sources was successfully reintroduced.
LOL at needing proper studies to do a vegan diet right. The addition of weed seems like an effective strategy to stick with it, certainly more gentle than Walter Kempner’s whippings.
