Le sex vs semen retention
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@healthyfungus said in Le sex vs semen retention:
It may be beneficial for females, but is it worth losing the semen for a female's benefit?
Hardly the only thing men do for women's benefit... probably the upside for the male-female pair is positive-sum. Even if once a month or so.
Ray Peat talked briefly about how bacteria would donate genetic material through horizontal gene transfer even for "strange, unrelated" bacteria.
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I once emailed Dr. Peat about semen’s effect on women and he responded “ I think it’s likely to be beneficial, if the man is healthy.”
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Le sex vs semen retention:
I once emailed Dr. Peat about semen’s effect on women and he responded “ I think it’s likely to be beneficial, if the man is healthy.”
Damn, there goes my next pick-up line.
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@Luke lol.
I have practiced having sex twice a day, and ejaculating on a schedule, but not that often, for about 15 years.
I have found that men can become more masculine, more powerful, more successful, this way. And you are head over heels in love with your partner.
Nothing compares to this to make a wonderful life. Nothing.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster
I remember an interview with the late Gary Wilson. He said that the doctor who "prescribed" karezza to patients (for birth control) was surprised that one of the side effects was that marriages improved when the guy stopped ejaculating so much.That fits with your description of "head over heels in love with your partner".
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@Ecstatic_Hamster I've been trying to make a point of cumming inside, per fertility awareness, I can do it without risk of pregnancy perhaps once a month.
My woman being more healthy is a benefit to me.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Le sex vs semen retention:
@Luke lol.
I have practiced having sex twice a day, and ejaculating on a schedule, but not that often, for about 15 years.
I have found that men can become more masculine, more powerful, more successful, this way. And you are head over heels in love with your partner.
Nothing compares to this to make a wonderful life. Nothing.
Hi, likely gooning/edging ain't optimal and ain't better than ejaculating or no lust at all. I in my experience Gooning/edging doesn't increase any of the things you mentionned above, it reduce it if you do it long enough. Depending on what is optimal for your body at a given time, both no lust at all, and sex with quick ejaculation much better than gooning/edging for everything you mentionned above.
Most animals that we commonly see in documentaries dont have sex most of the years and when they do they dont goon/edge, it often last seconds or minutes
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@water-fire not my experience. My own experience and coaching many others, shows me that this works very, very well in maintaining high drive and high interest in one’s partner. It makes for an amazing life. I don’t suggest doing this alone. When it’s sex with a partner it’s completely different than edging to porn by yourself.
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@healthyfungus your rapture video is really funny
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@sunsunsun lol it was a clip from a full video coming.
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I lost my account creds and also got insanely busy. I'll keep it brief in saying that I'm probably wrong by being /this/ pro-ejaculation, I guess. I've been taking SR somewhat more seriously recently and the effect on "the metabolic rate" is noticeable and pronounced, especially in behavior and the "feel" of my brain as faster and sharper. It's probably /especially/ important if you are malnourished but /still/ important if you aren't.
I do dislike how mystical a lot of the dialogue around SR is, leads to brainworms. I almost feel an obligation to produce some kind of measured self-experiment to suggest that it might increase the heart rate or something. I don't really see the benefit as coming from some kind of "reabsorption" (which inherently has an ideological belief that this fluid is constantly being produced and therefore there exists some kind of "resistance" in not expelling it), but merely from not having to expend resources reloading the gun as much.
I think most of the seemingly invulnerable males that you meet in life are doing mild SR. They're not talking or thinking about it though, counting the days, they're just not doing the uneducated thing of ejaculating for no reason.
That seems to me to be an ideal.
I could be wrong but it also seems to be a relevant factor in male hair loss. Eunuchs, women, children, don't ejaculate and as such keep their hair (to a greater extent). It's a state moving towards the periphery of death, unfortunately. The male nature as a somewhat disposable one. As is often mentioned ejaculation downright kills some lower organisms.
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I find my mental faculties become greater when I am not loosing my super sauce
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@Rah1woot said in Le sex vs semen retention:
Nietzsche was also an incredibly sickly man who died very insane. In my opinion, the semen fascination seems to be the concept mostly of malnourished peasant classes, and the view is today expressed most vigorously in places like India, where vegetarianism predominates
Yes, this whole part was unbased npc take
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@water-fire Primitive consciousness, I guess. With flaws but mostly right.
SR must graduate from being a "based" view of the world to a Correct one. Which was the process Ray did.
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I've been doing something like karezza recently, ~30 minutes of rhythmic sex without ejaculating, having the woman cum as she wants. The effect on the mood is dramatically better than ejaculating, afterwards. Even in the days following, at least for me. Worth trying.
I researched the subject a little bit more. The term "Male Continence" popped up in the context of the Oneida Community of the 1840s in the US. I kind of like this term better. It's not about "retaining" to me (which has an aura of tension or stress, linguistically) but more about "not expelling".
@Ecstatic_Hamster does your wife "practice" non-orgasmic sex with you, or does she cum as she likes? Some posts seem to talk about the former as being higher. I'm not so sure though, the female orgasm seems very different.
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@Rah2woot How often do you ejaculate now? Are the effects continuous or plateu after x days?
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@PrinceTrebata I've only been doing this for a little while. SR broadly for maybe a month now. Karezza sex for a few days. "Streaks" up to two weeks.
I would say that I'm still on the uptrend overall.
It's cliche to make a list of "benefits" but I don't really think that's the right way of looking at it. Similar to "retention". It seems like this is more of what life is meant to be like rather than some kind of reward for self-restraint.
Most blatantly it feels like my dopamine levels are through the roof, in a good way, everything is more colorful, interesting, engaging, I can think about more things at once and faster. It seems like a very powerful metabolic stimulant and therefore makes most aspects of life simply more and better. "Semen Retention Guys" don't have the theory of bioenergetics so they resort to weird syllogisms that include weird hypothyroid dudes like David Goggins to explain this.
I'm also seeing some more general androgenic traits.
I'm interested to see if I can lose some weight from what seems to be the resulting increase in metabolism.
Anyways. Not seeing a plateau yet. I almost think that you would ideally not ejaculate ever unless you're trying to father children but I could be wrong.
