getting super lean sickkunt
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@jamezb46 0.71-0.8 grams per pound
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@jamezb46 well cole has done it including all the stupid things like high fat zero carb and no calorie. he has lots of experience. im too lazy to rationalize it further. can you eat a half a costco tiramisu and stay lean or does your diet require you to eat the same calories and macros everyday. carnivores cant eat a bowl of strawberries, and similar would be to someone that cant eat fatty meats at some point in their diet. yo yo dieting is based. binging is based.
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YO YO dieting IS based
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@eduardo-crispino I agree that Mike could use a lot more muscle. I'm not Mike's #1 fan by any means. But the muscle loss is a demonstrated thing on fat loss diets when protein is not adequate. It is surely not adequate if doing "sugar fasting".
What evidence do you have that muscle loss is not occurring on very low protein diets?
What about the "sugar diet" people. Have you tried clen? t3+t2? ECA stack? You really think you're smarter than literal decades of guys getting shredded using that shit? I'm not saying that nothing can ever change, and the old ways are best. Fuck the old ways. But there are proven ways that absolutely do work. Some of them are listed above.
Binge eating is not healthy by any means. Why do you think it is healthy?
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@jamezb46 binging is optimal , try it sometimes you will see .
it’s fun and creates satisfaction. i can eat low fat for ages because looking in mirror at lesn guy feels better than butter on potato . and to be honest eating lots of fat everyday doesnt even feel good, it feels less good than low fat.once in awhile i will like to eat a loaf of bread with half a stick of butter and several eggs and a pack of bacon. and then not care for fatty foods for awhile again. this is optimal and fun
have you ever eaten a half a costco tiramisu cake?
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This was the result of me (front) eating adequate protein, adequate fat from animal meat, eggs, adequate carbs, and doing lots of cardio from stairmaster a couple years ago, and completely natural at the time.
No binging and fasting or other mental disorder type behavior going on to get that lean
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@jamezb46 binging is super based and that leanness WILL be achieved with this method
using stairmaster for many hours might be mental disorder from other POV btw . same way u think binging is mental disorder
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@eduardo-crispino Great, champ. Since you don't like to post studies I guess we'll just wait on your physique pics to prove this fad diet
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@jamezb46 i dont think i approached the condescension of what you attempted with champ even when i said i dont think you overstand coles method
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@eduardo-crispino You're advocating for binging, yo-yo dieting, eating high-PUFA processed foods from Costco so I don't think you're a serious person
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@eduardo-crispino Who said hours? 20 minutes high intensity 4-5x/week was all I used
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@jamezb46 xD
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This is me after 40 days of zero fat and 4000 calories of carbs, low protein 60-70g a day.
Since you now want to result to n1s to prove a point.
Also my cardiovascular and libido were the highest they had ever been. All while doing zero resistance training or cardio.
Creating a high metabolism, high anabolic environment and removing inflammation is not equal to your dieting studies.
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Also i agree with Ed that gym and cardio addiction is much more of a mental health disorder than enjoying big meals and doing diets that like 90% of the world are basically on.
Your definition of fasting and binging is not the same as was Ed is talking about.
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@Zachs said in getting super lean sickkunt:
This is me after 40 days of zero fat and 4000 calories of carbs, low protein 60-70g a day.
Since you now want to result to n1s to prove a point.
Also my cardiovascular and libido were the highest they had ever been. All while doing zero resistance training or cardio.
Creating a high metabolism, high anabolic environment and removing inflammation is not equal to your dieting studies.
Your experience with the diet is vastly different from mine, Zach. As a small female averaging 3,000 calories and 50 g of protein daily, within 2 months I went from this:
99 lb (45 kg)
To this:
80 lb (36 kg)
I lost another 13 lb—was down to 67 lb (30 kg)—but don’t have any photos of me at my lowest weight before succumbing to a devastating back injury—my spine collapsed while picking up half a watermelon, due to severe osteoporosis. Within 3 months of my doctor putting me on an ancestral diet, I gained back all the muscle I had lost and because of my spine collapsing, I had to learn how to walk again so I was relatively sedentary during that time. I also built back within the first year most of the bone density I had lost, but it took another decade before I was climbing mountains again because not only did the initial damage to my spine result in disability, any subsequent fracturing could result in paralysis so I’ve had to be extra cautious. As it is, I’m stuck to climbs I can do in a day—no more backpacking trips—because I can no longer carry nearly us much gear as I used to. I used to be able to carry a 60 lb pack, more than double my weight. Now even 40 lb is a challenge.
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Vegan?
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As im sure you know, you cant get severe osteoporosis from a two month stint of high carb. Im guessing you dealt with many years of eating disorders?
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@Zachs said in getting super lean sickkunt:
As im sure you know, you cant get severe osteoporosis from a two month stint of high carb. Im guessing you dealt with many years of eating disorders?
I didn’t follow the diet for only two months, and it wasn’t high carb that caused it but insufficient protein—I still consume a high carb diet. I was just showing the difference in my body composition after 2 months on the diet versus yours after 40 days on it. I haven’t dealt with eating disorders, no, unless one considers following a restrictive diet like high-carb, low-protein an eating disorder. I followed it in attempt to heal from the depression I had at the time, which advocates of the diet claimed it helps. And yes, vegan, specifically fruit-based. I followed Dr. Douglas Graham’s 80/10/10 diet and was a member of Harley’s (Durianrider) and Leanne’s (Freelee) old forum 30 Bananas a Day, around the time of its inception, almost 20 years ago, when they were still promoting 80/10/10 raw. To this day, any less than 60 g of protein daily and all my old symptoms return.
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Jennifer, you were absolutely dealing with an eating disorder. Veganism, 80/10/10, fruitarianism. These are death cult diets, diseases of the mind.
Our experiences were not the same in any way because i came from an omnivore lifestyle, in my 40 days i ate lean proteins and zero fat animal products and when i ended i went back to an omnivore lifestyle.
You were on a true eating disorder lifestyle for i dont know how long but to get that advanced with under weight and bone loss, it must of been a few years anyway, then you restricted even further. Do you see the difference?
My zero fat diet protocol is for people who want to lose fat, its a set of short term dietary principles that absolutely will lean someone out faster than any other diet. Its not meant to be long term, and its flexible to allow for refeeding of animal products any time and most of all its not a restriction diet.
Not the same.
