Androsterone source in EU
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Wondering if anyone in EU has androsterone, customs have become a bit more strict ordering from Idealabs and I'm having trouble with them. I'll try another reshipment soon but I'm asking for other sources just in case.
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@Balataba sorry don’t have a source but you might be interested in Peat’s reply when someone asked him about androsterone:
Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-191265I asked about the safety of androsterone.
He said:
"I think much more animal research would have to be done to be confident of its safety." -
@16characterstwas @Balataba another person’s exchange with Peat on the topic:
Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-285682..
Ray: "I think it’s risky to supplement hormonally active intermediates in steroid metabolism, since it can have widespread unexpected effects.
W: "Ok thanks, I thought dht and 11-keto-dht were end point steroids (Hans selye work on combining upstream and end point steroids is interesting) , does that mean you would not supplement with androsterone either?"
R: "I think I might use DHT, but not androsterone or the ketos."
W: "Androsterone combined with small amounts of dhea and preg felt very positive * but perhaps too potent for daily use, the steroids pathways made me think it would be safe, however safety has been mostly studied in women."
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R: "The immediate feeling is so good that people usually overdose, risking long term imbalance in metabolism."W: "I see, I understand your caution , do you have any idea what kind of imbalances this could create (besides T suppression)? As for androsterone , do you have any idea what doses would be well below the threshold of an overdose?
Regarding dht, andractim is the only bioidentical dht gel I found but the one source available online (allsaintsclinic) is temporarily unable to supply it. From what I saw the gel delivers 25mg of dht per dose and only 2.5 mg make it through the skin."R: "In general, one milligram/day of the strong androgens is safe. 2.5 mg wouldn’t be dangerous, but the absorbed percentage can vary a lot.
For a young person, 5 mg DHEA orally is a very effective amount, very old people could use 10 to 15 mg. For a year I took an average of 3000 mg of pregnenolone daily, with nothing but good effects, but when I tried different brands (that was from Syntex), even 20 mg caused intestinal inflammation symptoms.
I haven’t used androsterone, but if it functions as a pheromone, as some people have said, I think that could activate the pituitary in possibly harmful ways."..
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@16characterstwas @Balataba I guess 2mg is do-able if one is trying to raise his dht but can’t get a hold of dht.
Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-289773Q. Would taking a maximum of 2 mg of androsterone a day be safe for a man who is trying to raise his DHT levels? DHT is illegal in my country.
Ray Peat said:
It probably is, but I haven’t had any personal experience with it. DHEA usually helps. -
Here again he mentions concern about it’s safety
Post in thread 'Ray Peat Email Advice Depository'
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/ray-peat-email-advice-depository.1035/post-655036Q: Mr Peat what do you think about androsterone and 11 KETO dht
A: Not sufficient research to know of safety.
